EVE General Discussion

Warning, this post may be controversial. Proceed at your own discretion.
Disclaimer, i care about the game and thats the motivation behind my post.

In almost every update there is a new skin, a ship rebalance, or something similar that is uninteresting. It seems like its just filler content. They do it just to have something for the patch notes. Why dont they develop something interesting?

Take for example the new map they are trying to make. Why are they doing that? What was wrong with the old one? It seems like a waste of manhours and doesent provide players anything fresh to keep them interested.

Dont CCP have anyone at their disposal who play the game and also have an imagination? It is frustrating to see the growth in player count stall and then reverse and each new update bring nothing significantly interesting.

Is there a reluctance to try something new? Why is that? Is CCP just going to milk EVE until players have eventually abanonded it? Its a game with so much potential but i dont see much drive in pushing it forward.

So when will CCP wake up and start making really interesting and original content again big or small? The thing is, the players dont show up as soon as you get development back on track, it takes years to build a player base. So they have to make changes now in order to change things around. Otherwise the trend with dropping players will likely continue until theres not alot of people left. Thank you for reading and have a nice day.

Collectively eve players tend to shoot down lots of CCPs more imaginative ideas because they don't want their area of the game affected. Most first reactions to a piece of news are just "oh great, how does this make my daily gameplay more of a chore', to me this means we have the wrong people playing, or at least those playing are in a poor mindset.

It is tough but not so tough, eve is a space game, wormholes are a good example of an expansion. Wormholes are real(?) things that exist in space and through playing this we get experience with them. Players have been asking after the Jove for over a decade so that would be a logical place to go, when CCP do though they need to get it right with new interesting mechanics and resources. I would personally prefer they look more at the rogue drones but that's just my opinion.

I haven't noticed this. At one point I took a 3 year break from eve, when I came back there were a couple new ships (sisters of eve) and some modules had been renamed, but absolutely nothing that made my experience of the game any different.

If eve is all about player effects, there should be much more pathways opened up for single or small group play, to limit stagnation and boredom. Citadels with asset safety are the antithesis of this.

Eve has been dying for 10 years.

What makes you so qualified to predict its end?

CCP does both new and update older content.

Or perhaps you missed the entire overhaul of the sov mechanic (not an overhaul people liked, but at least CCP did something to update an old mechanic). Maybe you missed the introduction of citadels and associated structures, which will eventually do away with the POS system entirely. The new AI that was tested with Drifters.

It's a long list of new things.

Meanwhile, CCP has taken to addressing issues in old code. Again, you may or may not like the changes personally, but you cannot accuse CCP of ignoring the old code fixes. One can argue the schedule or priority for some fixes, but all that is dependent on things beyond how it affects the game- like manhours to dedicate, having a team of devs available to work on it.

Overall, I think CCP does a decent job of balancing old and new fixes and features. I tend to disagree with the direction they go with changes at times- but if I'm complaining about some change to the game- it's only because CCP is actively tweaking the game all the time to begin with.

My complaint of CCP is primarily that they are reactionary and badly implement changes. In the years I've played I noticed that what gets fixed tends to be whatever people are bleating about the loudest on forums and reddit. This is what CCP measures the pulse of Eve on, and I think it's a flawed approach.
For example when the crowing about 'stagnation' in sov became the biggest topic on the forums it suddenly got 'fixed'. A terrible fix in my opinion, and it didn't accomplish much of anything in reality (sov is still dominated by coalitions, and mostly the exact same coalitions as before- just shuffled around the map). So- a bad mechanic that didn't work anyway.

So while it's awesome that CCP does in fact listen to (and sometimes hire) their player base- it runs the risk of being reactionary and listening to the wrong group of players at times.

CCP does both new and update older content.

Or perhaps you missed the entire overhaul of the sov mechanic (not an overhaul people liked, but at least CCP did something to update an old mechanic). Maybe you missed the introduction of citadels and associated structures, which will eventually do away with the POS system entirely. The new AI that was tested with Drifters.

It's a long list of new things.

Meanwhile, CCP has taken to addressing issues in old code. Again, you may or may not like the changes personally, but you cannot accuse CCP of ignoring the old code fixes. One can argue the schedule or priority for some fixes, but all that is dependent on things beyond how it affects the game- like manhours to dedicate, having a team of devs available to work on it.

Overall, I think CCP does a decent job of balancing old and new fixes and features. I tend to disagree with the direction they go with changes at times- but if I'm complaining about some change to the game- it's only because CCP is actively tweaking the game all the time to begin with.

My complaint of CCP is primarily that they are reactionary and badly implement changes. In the years I've played I noticed that what gets fixed tends to be whatever people are bleating about the loudest on forums and reddit. This is what CCP measures the pulse of Eve on, and I think it's a flawed approach.
For example when the crowing about 'stagnation' in sov became the biggest topic on the forums it suddenly got 'fixed'. A terrible fix in my opinion, and it didn't accomplish much of anything in reality (sov is still dominated by coalitions, and mostly the exact same coalitions as before- just shuffled around the map). So- a bad mechanic that didn't work anyway.

So while it's awesome that CCP does in fact listen to (and sometimes hire) their player base- it runs the risk of being reactionary and listening to the wrong group of players at times.

Eve has a ton of content and lore. Loads of mechanics that can be improved. I personally don't want to see any more new factions or stories- I want CCP to make better use of what is already there. I don't care about new ships that only do the same thing as old ones, what I want is a whole new ROLE for ships to fill. Improving Eve isn't just about adding 'stuff'. Reworking old mechanics in new and interesting ways is just as valid as piling on shiny new features.

Yup. They've just been rehashing old stuff over and over again. Current sov is what... sov 3.0? POS 2.0 (i.e. citadels) are balanced around being far more exclusionary than previous POSes. The only stuff on the horizon are toys for the big blue donut, to keep them even more entrenched and stagnant. Development has had an exclusionary attitude. The desperate maneuver of adding Alphas did not represent a change in that attitude, as can be seen by the TCU numbers having already returned to pre-Alphas levels. But don't worry guys, when there's only 1 player left, he'll finance the game himself through SKINs.

Gotta be careful not to become too cautious of innovation as well though.

Personally I'd like to see them spend some time on getting people working together, without having to commit to a corp or working as part of one of the established groups, early on i.e. hybridising some of the lower level PVE with lite incursion type stuff so that pretty much from like hour 2 in the game people are pushed together (not forced as some do like to just wander off and do their own thing).

I think that is the problem - when between corps, etc. and with some alts I hung out around Aven (constellation) the conversation in local is rarely more than the odd "hi" and/or occasionally "gf" in the lowsecs, there is very little to cause cooperative play, that doesn't mean committing to a corp, etc. despite I suspect a reasonable percentage of those players being bored and up for it other than PVP or if an incursion happens to come along - and even then a lot just temporarily vacate the area and leave it to those that do incursions as a thing.

As far as a social roam outside of local, help and corps, this guy is trying something, I'm not sure what to bring some life to the unwashed masses. A for effort I suppose.