Crime & Punishment

Sorry, just deconstructing my thoughts down to the lowest common Dom & Dommer, I mean denominator.

Is it true you sold one of your corpses for 1bil isk to an admirer, or urban myth?

Dare you to say his name three times tonight Dommy.

Well done for bagging and mounting Andrew Jester.

My Main enjoys griefing griefers ( best tears, better than Codies ), I was tracking Panther Eto who was hiding out in a J system ( and bragging how he was untouchable ). I paid good isk to Jester to locate my quarry. Sent me almost into an ambush in low sec with a false WH entry. This was before I made friends with the CEO of Hole Control. No one is untouchable in Eve.

Live and learn.

Concord needs to put you down permanently then... Your just a tumor

@norg
You can place the deputation of capsuleers into a pve setting by creating missions to police pirates to get cool ship skins and more police variants of standard ships with lights that actually work.

Pve mission
Say sepentis is stealing ore from an Outpost your mission is to immobilize and detain. You go to the Outpost bring the ship shields down place them into deep armor and they warp disrupted and webbed to hell and back, a mini game pops up from here where it's you going through their cargo to get what they stole as evidence, now you can be the good cop and only take the evidence or you can be the bad cop and take whatever you want.

Rep begins to build with either Concord or the pirate faction depending on if you let them go or except a payout

Rep increase by .01%

Whose Atari?

Well Shelby, ( I would not say it in ear shot of her) I think you are much more interesting than Vimsy ( I just liked her POCO's). You should hang in C&P more often and regale us with your amazing stories.

Even though he drank my mothers phoo, I think you could out fetish Morts with your bizarre insights into human behaviour.

Don't be a stranger round these parts.

What do you think Noragen? Shelby's wasted in General Discussion.

This is a pretty cute idea, actually. It largely overcomes the "I shoot my criminal alt to collect the payment", because of the lack of control over whoever else horns in on the kill.

However, it does let one get free jumps by judicious use of prepositioned alts in rookie ships. I guess some sort of lore nonsense would have to establish that CONCORD anticynos you back to where you started once the incident's over, you can't jettison cargo while it's happening, and probably some stuff to block some other clever dodges. Given that CONCORD's magic already, I guess that would be OK.

the C&P players are doing a better job than CONCORD / Facpo.

here’s a glimpse of what can be achieved by players who are motivated, organized and dedicated to ruining the ganker’s day, have a look at these videos and pictures -> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, …etc....

(lol, I wonder how the "AG are ineffective concord whorers and they dont create content” crowd will react to it.)

Look at the quality of the content. That is emergent gameplay and there’s enormous potential for more.

I am not an expert in all elements of Highsec Anti-piracy, but having prevented over 150 miner ganks (saving their targets) in the past, I have some experience in miner protection field and what follows is my opinion. In a 0.5 system for example, concord has about 20 seconds of delay. During those 20 seconds (=concord's absence), a player can do very much to ruin that gank. Alpha’ing that Cata, jamming it, weapon disrupting, heavy neuting it so that his blasters stop working, bumping the miner and so on. ECM has been my area, which is how I (and many competent pilots in the HSM) have been stopping miner ganks for years now.

During my AG gameplay at belts I often felt like concord was whoring on my intervention and taking all the fun away by divinely attacking the ganker that I was already attacking about 15 seconds ago quite effectively. This is where it gets interesting, because quite honestly in vast majority of those encounters, concord wasn’t even really needed since I (= a player) was already applying permajam, point and DPS on the ganker’s Catalyst with my Falcon shortly after the ganker turned criminal, long before the idiot NPCs of concord’s spawned.

Take a look at this and that kill mail for example,both are gank attempts, the Catalysts had become criminal and concord was on its way, but do you see concord in the involved parties? None. The real players’ DPS & ECM was faster and much more successful (and fun!) than concord. In other words, the gank was prevented (by real players) before concord was even around. I consider these as wonderful examples and exactly what Highsec should see more and more.

I am against the idea of removing CONCORD completely, not in the foreseeable future at least. However, more tools and motivation sources for players to engage in Anti-pirate gameplay and less power for Faction police & CONCORD would make Highsec more interesting, especially in a game like EVE which is supposed to be a player-driven universe.

We should also ask the following question: how to encourage player-driven encounters between criminals and Player Police and how to get them closer to each other so that an encounter occurs? IMO, criminals' activity should be more 'trackable' in-game. Here's an idea: Currently, outlaw (-5 and less) gankers see a notification on their screens whenever they enter a new Hisec system. This notification should also be broadcasted in Local chat. For example, you're in Niarja and the -10 ganker Aaaarrgg jumps to Niarja from Kaaputenen in a Thrasher. The Niarja local should say something like: "-Kaaputenen (Stargate)-: Outlaw Aaaarrgg has entered Niarja!" A Slasher pilot (for example) who sees this in Niarja can decide to jump into Madirmilire to try to tackle him there to ruin his operation. In return, the ganker can try to Alpha that Slasher who messes with him. And there, you got a player interaction! A long time ago I had read an interesting article in MB about the possible advantages of removing the Faction Police and it had several points that I agree with. Catching outlaws at gates is great fun and if you have some good DPS and support from other players, the Faction Police isn't really needed either..

What should CCP do asap, in my opinion, is to remove the non-sense automatic warp disruption that gankers suffer upon going criminal. Tbh as a player in my Falcon, I want to be the one who pins down the ganker. I am sure that the ganking community would love to see that removed as well (see: boomerang ganking)

I still find great enjoyment in stopping miner ganks whenever I tab into Highsec. Sometimes it can get a bit boring to wait for gankers to show up for hours (which is why Saeger1737's notification and deputies idea is good) but it’s a lot of fun to ask the gankers to get a ganking permit, send them my “Ruined Gank Report Form” and tell them to obey to my Code of Conduct. About a week ago I saved a Mackinaw in Uemisaisen and judging from their reaction in Local, the gankers were dazzled and happy after that encounter (I have seen this happen so many times). This is the reason why I think that more emphasis on Player Police concepts and ideas are important for Highsec. It’s fun and rewarding for everyone.

I like the flow of ideas in this thread, it’s like a Highsec Think Tank. Much more interesting than ineffective stuff like that 30 pages long Stellar Order thing (has XeX stopped a gank yet? lol)

They kind of do provide that with escalations to low/hostile space and level 5 missions. Except, if I see combat scanners while I'm running an escalation, I know:

1: Because of the "don't take a fight you don't have the advantage in" rule, I don't want to be there. Whoever is probing me has enough firepower to kill me, so I would be stupid to stay.

2: If I'm not in the site, they can't find the escalation. I go dock/cloak, and the fight is over before it starts, lock or no.

3: While I was out running my escalation, most of the guys actually looking for fights were T3C pilots. Or: those ships which can facetank 1000 DPS all day while holding a target so his friends can show up. Under neut pressure.

Because I'm not there to pick a fight (and the escalation won't let me fit for a fight unless it's something stupidly shiny), the way the game is designed right now does not encourage me to engage. So....

If escalations worked FW-style and turned into anomalies when the explorer warped to them, anybody in system would be able to see the site on probe scanner and run it. Except if that happened, trying to ninja-run the escalation wouldn't be a serious option any more.

If I brought a *fleet* to the escalation, it might be a different story. I wonder if escalations were designed to require fleets to run, specifically so we would have something for small fleets to fight over. Except you'd be stuck with the same story after a while: anyone looking to surprise a fleet would usually be prepared for the kind of fleet which runs escalations (and be able to see everyone uncloaked in site at once on combat scanners).

If escalations were a king-of-the-hill mechanic with some kind of distracting minigame for several minutes, an explorer could bring something PvP-fitted to an escalation and be able to fight back-but again, the hunters will adapt and make "stay and fight" a usually bad option.

Level 5s are the same story: if you're fit to run the level 5, you probably aren't fit to fight whatever's coming to kill you, so better stay aligned and warp out whenever something even slightly threatening shows in system.

tl;dr fights over PvE objectives in EVE favor the hunter. A lot. As long as that's true, the prey have no reason to do anything but avoid the fight.