Player Features and Ideas Discussion

EDIT: This post was being misunderstood so I'm rewriting it to avoid the confusion.

The current asset protection is as follows:
After 5 days a player can choose to have the assets delivered to an NPC station, outpost, or Citadel in the same system the assets were originally located, free of charge. If this option is not used, then the assets will be delivered after additional 20 days to the nearest NPC station, by AU, and the player will have to pay 15% of the assets' value to release them from asset safety.

What I propose is that the 15% value instead of being paid to CCP magic isk disappearing land, goes to the players involved in attacking/destroying the structure itself. This spread should be based on damage dealt to the structure.

This mechanic should be the same for ALL space. High/Low/Null/WH.

Other Fixes that this will require:

War Dec system - The price model on this needs to be updated to increase the cost of declaring war.

The whole point of asset safety is feature parity with Outposts and to get people to actually be willing to keep assets in Citadels. There's no need for a fix here because nothing is broken.

Also you already have to pay to access your stuff depending on where it gets asset safety'd to, it just goes into a money black hole and an ISK sink.

Citadels are not intended to be multi-billion ISK loot pinatas.

Actually Citadels are a replacement for POS's in which you get 100% of the loot, as well as Outposts. Last time I checked if I come take your outpost, you don't get any asset protection. All your crap is just stuck there and I deny you docking rights so.

My method allows for everyone to get some isk, gives conflict some purpose. Currently if you want to take down a keepstar, it will cost you many billions in losses and you get nothing out of it. Outposts have no defenses, citadels do. I think it's time to stop thinking of them as the same thing.

You should go read the original threads from the original structure dev blogs, they discussed a lot of this stuff especially CCP's thinking around asset safety... you're not going to convince CCP of anything unless you at least understand why they made the decision they did.

Citadels are a replacement for POSes as well as Outposts and Conquerable Stations. They're not like Outposts in that they blow up rather than just flipping sides. If your side loses an Outpost that outpost just flips and it's often still possible to get stuff out or fire-sale it at a discount.

POSes basically never got used for long term storage for anything outside of Wormhole space, which is the one place where there is no asset safety to preserve gameplay there.

Under your system there is a very strong incentive to store as little as possible in a Citadel since you're actively giving the attackers ISK. That sort of incentive is something CCP wanted to actively avoid.

It's not like we need an added incentive to destroy Citadels either, plenty of these things die all the time, either because of trade wars, because of Null wars, or just because someone saw there were no defenses and wanted something to shoot.

So again, asset safety is fine, it's working as CCP intended.

It was the WH community, writ large, that insisted on no asset safety in wormholes.

I've updated the topic because I felt it was being misread by people.

I'm curious, what is actually broken about Asset Safety that requires a fix?

Excellent question. This is just my opinion, but there seems to be little value in attacking Citadels in general, especially in high sec. I see many systems FLOODED with astrahus's, because there is virtually no reason to attack them. Even without services/fuel requirements an attack has to work through 3 different timers, on the defenders schedule. What does the attacker gain for this hard work? 10% of the structure value is the current answer.

Giving the attackers some sort of incentive for their hard work will help generate game content, force players to actually defend their structures, and discourage citadel spam placement for no reason.

This is a bit off topic, because my idea doesn't generate or destroy isk. It instead gives it to players doing the work. The main ISK sink in eve is the market taxes/broker fees of 1-2%. That can always be raised/lowered to stabilize Isk value. You could also take bounties off rats and instead make them drop tags sold to NPCs for values. So that way people might actually lose them hauling them around. This however has nothing to do with my original post.

I think the smarter option is to add a small maintenance cost to structures. Spend fuel. Get a period of invulnerability.

Getting a payout as an aggressor is nice, but we all find KMs and GFs sufficient payout as it is. If you make shooting an abandoned structure less of a cancerous affair, people will do it more for ***** and gigs.

Have you shot a POS or a POCO just to get a fight? I have, and I wasn't getting paid for it.