EVE General Discussion

For lols I used to fly a Proteus setup like a wannabe shield/kitey Adrestia back in the days of off grid links and before some of the blaster/tracking enhancer tweaks. Actually worked quite well though a good bit of that was the unexpected factor - people don't tend to anticipate a prot that can do well in excess of 6km/s and turn on a dime.

Well, since I mainly fly T3 Cruiser, my answer to your questions is a definite NO.

The only thing I would fix on T3 Cruisers is make them all equally balanced so there isn't just one T3 Cruiser in-game that's overpowering the rest of them *cough Tengu cough*. Course I wouldn't mind it if the Loki had an option to become a Missile / Drone boat. Would definitely make the last mission of the level 4 Caldari Epic Arc much easier to complete solo.

Anyway, it seems to me those who do fly T3 Cruisers never complain about them while those who don't fly T3 Cruisers always complain about them.


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Atleast you killed something before going down :D

That is kind of sad - but then it is changes like that why I'm no longer playing so I guess it doesn't really matter to me any more.

Thing is in pretty much every corp, etc. I've had anything to do with in Eve there has been a small, but not insignificant, number of people who utilise T3s for the esoteric option(s) which this change appears to not particularly cater for - hopefully its obvious where I'm going with that without having to spell it out.

T3s should never be too finely balanced, too predictable or easy - that is what makes them interesting and engages a fairly sizeable group of players with the game (not just the alluded to ones above).

Balance in terms of T3s should always come in the form of penalties not restrictions in their flexibility.

Oooooh another T3 thread :)

Yada yada yada, boost battleships or nerf T3, preferably the first option.

There is some weight to the argument that T3 cruisers are too "end game" at the moment, even though i LURV all my various Protei. I love em because they eat everything else and that's not something a cruiser should be doing.

I have 142 Tengu, 295 Prot, 346 Loki and 184 Legion fits in EFT :O

I still used plenty of other ships though - one of my alts used an Eos in PVP a fair bit and I was just getting started with a sleipnir with another before I quit. Would have liked to use a Kronos but one of the big draws there was the 90% webs now ditched :(

I think people underestimate how much T3 cruisers give Eve "texture" and character that doesn't happen when you have less options and too finely balanced game features which tend to make a game blander - many of the most memorable games in history were so because they had something(s) that stuck out.

This was pre-bastion - I've always been a sucker for utility highs so Vindi didn't really appeal to me (and while it wasn't that big a boost the Kronos had a slightly higher base resist profile). Used to love that old Kronos did a bit of wormhole PVE in a PVP fit one but never got a chance to use it in PVP before the changes.

EDIT: I'd forgotten how much of an influence that had on me stopping playing - I loved that Kronos and just finally got all the skills and stuff maxed out and the ISK for a nice fit then they went and changed it dramatically. Not that I have anything against the new approach to marauders as such but having worked towards that goal for so long that kind of sucked.

Subsystems may be getting simplified.

5 into four and four into three in each category. Can't help but try and theory craft something.

Defensive - varying subs with specific roles all used but with the adaptive augmented of dubious strength. The main thing of note is that a warfare link proteus does not get a tank bonus. With on grid boosts a tank bonus would seem useful so instead of deleting a sub from here moving the warfare processor into the electronics section would seem appropriate.

Augmented plating sub probably needs dropping back to 5%.

Rep bonus may fall back to 7.5%

Small range bonus for reppers on adaptive augmented sub may be appropriate.

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Warfare processor in here now just drop it in on top of the CPU efficiency gate, good model poor sub.

Dissolution sequencer and emergent locus analyser are fine but we need to lose a sub.

Friction extension processor, classic pvp bonus, save a subsystem by rolling this bonus into the hull. Good looking subsystem so swap it for the emergent locus analyser sub graphically.

Propulsion. Differing rolls, fairly well balanced, delete the wake limiter.

Removing a subsystem category sounded tricky at first but looking at fits often subs go hand in hand augmented capacitor reservoir with drone sub and power core multiplayer with hybrid subs. Combining these subs with each other removes a category.

Delete the supplemental coolant injector and the dissonic encoding platform. Perhaps roll some of the overheat bonus into the hull bonus.

This leaves the covert sub, this could be combined with the capacitor regeneration matrix but may need to be given a small drone bay and bandwidth.

The hybrid/power grid sub combo is the main problem when looking at DPS heavy fits, hopefully it will retain a sixth turret but drone bandwidth could be reduced to 25 to adjust this sub.

So something like that maybe.

Thing is, adjusting T3's does not make HAC's or battleships better basically restricts choice further, probably just to machs.