EVE General Discussion

Considering the fact that CCP has already nerfed the hell out of loot drops to the point of being nonexistent, what little amount of dropped modules that are reprocessed now basically has very little to no effect on current Mineral prices in the Market.

Tech 1 Meta level 1 modules = Stock modules
Tech 1 Meta level 2 & 3 modules = Modified modules.

Stock modules can be mass produced from BPO's. Currently they're pretty much worthless and only used by brand new players for a short period of time. Removing the Modified modules from loot drops and placing the Stock modules as a base invention item for Modified modules will make the Stock modules a worthwhile investment.

I understand the reason for it and the change will definitely make the Stock modules more valuable in the Market. Naturally I don't like it, just another gameplay activity that I engaged in added to the long list of gameplay activities already removed from the game.


DMC

Very good post; thank you for your reply and explanation.


Reading the replies in this thread has convinced me that this is a good change in the long run. A couple of ideas others have mentioned that I quite like.

Ships should drop "burnt" / "ruined" modules which are reprocessed into the components used to build meta modules. This way still makes sense to me in terms of the loot you get from ships and adds more uses for the re-processing skills
BPCs should be available via LP stores / invention or some other way (basically don't have them drop from rats as you still have the same supply issues as now).
Careful work is needed to ensure there are no bottlenecks as this would ultimately end up with all bar a few components being worthless.

I will still miss the fact that pricing in the future will be set by ratios rather than actual usefulness but I can now at least appreciate why this is an overall good thing for the game.

Uhm your character is about as old as i have been playing..........

Gun Mining, is/was more of the definition: of combat characters killing rats to acquire minerals as opposed to mining Rocks, there fore they could also contribute to the industry of their organizations without having to mine boring rocks.

Now i read back, and i have percieved the market pricing references have nothing to do with "mineral" prices, it has to do with selling and buying the actual modules not grinding them down for minerals....which right now would be stupid they are worth more as a module than mineral.

Think you better go back and learn to read......oh and maybe brush up on your history a little bit of EvE, ie 425 rail guns to compress minerals perhaps........

Cade, this one is for you since you like to think of the economy as encompassing the entire star cluster......

Getting rid of 'Gun Mining' would make Arkonor and Bistot the only sources for megacyte.

With the number of combat anoms in nullsec, Null would have no reason to use Markets to acquire these components for any meta modules they would wish to use.
However places like Highsec mostly and maybe even losec (WH have access to AB) would be sol without gun mining to supplement their industry needs, especially in the case of new bros trying to cut their teeth on the subject would be hard pressed to get some without using the market.

So, Pros/Cons, balance/counterbalance for this that you might be able to come up with?
Would something have to be buffed for Highsec/Losec to make this palatable in 'every ones' eyes?

I suspect the subcap meta modules will work the same way as the capital ones. BPOs are available on the market as are named components.

Production will require a T1 module plus some named components which will presumably be available as loot or salvage.

Named components are tiny, .001 m3, so ratters & mission runners won't need huge cargo bays for their loot.

This is a very positive change for nullsec since the meta modules needed for doctrine fits will be able to be built locally.

It's also a very positive change for the Eve economy since the minerals required to make these things will now need to be harvested by players - only the named components will drop as loot/salvage.

Changing from modules to components doesn't require getting entirely rid of gun mining. The components can still be refined in of themselves.
However since highsec has frigate WH's where you can get ABC's, or you can day trip to low or null in a cloaky even if you want, it's not impossible to get some.

Personally ABC's should be in highsec in small inefficient quantities. I mean like 10% the rate that you get in null for reference, so given last time CCP released figures Null was mining as much as highsec was, 10% the rate will be lower income than omber currently and not affect the markets heavily. heck, you could put a tiny bit of high ends into Omber and solve both it's value and the highsec mining distribution in one go, without changing the isk/hour maximum of mining in high, since CCP have dramatically shifted their original mineral distribution vision already, and that would resolve the issue.

I always thought is was kind of lame that a lot of T1 modules were not worth producing because the better Meta Variants drop en-masse.

+1 from me as well. This will help even out supply and demand for meta modules, add a new element for industry and reduce the flow of minerals from gun mining.

I never understood why people wanted to play diablo 3 in space: farming crap you will never use and simply dump it into the nearest hub for cash.

Drone lands has been like the proposed change for a while now. The only modules that have a chance of dropping are the sentient equipment, and those are somewhat rare.

1) The sentient BS drops drone goo (used to build excavators and other stuff) and SOE chips (used to build astero, nestor, and stratios) and sentient mods.

2) The NPC carriers and supers drop random parts used to build stuff (I think capital mods? I don't remember) and BPC's (the super drops a BPC to build sentient fighter support units, not the module itself).

3) The regular rats drop BPC's for various mods, no equpment is dropped

4) the data sites drop BPC's for augmented and integrated drones. They also drop drone goo.

5) the combat signitures have a guarenteed sentient (point 1)

6) the 10/10s drop t2 salvage and overseer effects. they also have a sentient if you take the shortcut (point 1)

I really enjoy living in space where the "stuff to build" drops instead of completed modules, because it gives indy people an actual reason to live far from Jita. It also gives the sites more purpose, because If I want to build excavators or t2 rigs, I need to start farming the sites to get my supplies (or buy from corp mates that run the sites).

Those of us that farm sites to get the necessary building materials burn out far less frequently than people who dump the spoils into Jita. There is no reason to farm for them beyond acquiring more isk, which is not an end point. I need to run the sites to keep my indy lines running, so I can keep building stuff for the corp/alliance. I have an actual reason to run sites, isk/hr people usually don't (besides isk/hr)

Bottlenecks are actually good for the game tbh. You need supply shortages versus demand to create conflict. In fact the only thing I am beginning to worry about is that CCP is giving null TOO much self dependencies versus the other areas of space so as to decrease transit and hopefully conflict and death between sec status zones. I know this was one of the foundations of the original Eve and Im hesitant with some changes being too much to remove this.

Capital meta parts has shown that this can work and as another poster has mentioned I am very certain it will mimic this entirely. You do have a point with the BPC bottlenecks though versus drops and it would be a good idea to have a certain bpc supply "floor" in the NPC LP stores so as not to become to dependent on drop rates alone like the SAAR issue. I also think that there does need to be disproportionate rates for sec zone usage. IE stuff most used in null might drop in high, null might drop low. Simply done to create motion of goods again. I realize this will not be a popular idea.

Another idea regarding the no ark or bist in high might be to make the components themselves reprocessable in some low grade high end form, likely highly inefficient but enough to make it a "way out" rather than complete market dependency. Or else just rollback the old mission changes.