Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is a terrible idea that effectively eliminates "fair" fights and requires blobbing as the only possible way to kill anything.

Why do you hate newbie tackle?

Get more newbies in tackle, I guess.

Ult like an ultimate ability. If you're running around in Overwatch and every individual player can slow you to a walk, the pace of gameplay would be a lot slower. If you want to solo tackle a mach bring another mach. That's a really nice sentiment but I don't think it compares to the benefit of making tackle more incremental. For real, solo wouldn't die. You can solo down and I think bigger ship classes need a bit of help.

You could also give tackle bonuses to smaller ships to have that type of scenario. Of the solo tackle frigate catching a battleship.

It's in the name of giving some more character to ships by breaking up this very binary module that cycles continuously.

Yeah I mentioned webs. I think it should take four or five to slow you down to 35% of your max speed. Or scale it as an energy value where a web has 400 points, and the target ship's mass adds to their pool of energy points.

In Dota, would it be cool if any player could grab another player and slow them to a walk? This is a video game and it's what's happening now. A video game character's propulsion is a very high value attribute and taking that away solo is too punishing. It should be attached to ship bonuses or even more energy cost.

Say you tier tackle modules to have more effectiveness compared to others. And you have a ship like the Garmur with more range, or a Serpentis frigate that has increased effectiveness.

Blobbing with four times as many players is not a good thing. And you can never have so much tackle in a fleet that you're telling people to stay home instead of bringing more, so you aren't actually making people more welcome. You're just making the minimum fleet size larger and encouraging blobbing.

yeah hold on to your conventions folks we're going to talk about alternatives and it's dangerous

Eve is a sandbox. There are no levels. Day old players and 13 year veterans fly together. There are examples of Alpha clones running sleeper sites in wormholes and one of the presentations at Fanfest talked about a group of Alphas in frigates killing a dreadnaught. This is Eve at its best - the way things should be.

The base statistics for modules are the same for everyone. It's how you use them that matters - skill, knowledge, experience and luck all play a role. Veterans should be less reliant on luck but we're all human beings and we make mistakes. If a new player can capitalize on that - more power to them!

Some modules scale depending on skill levels, some are binary - they work or they don't regardless of character skill. This variety is realistic and valuable. It means new players have a chance and veterans can't be complacent. In my opinion, this is a feature to be applauded - not a bug to be fixed!.

I think it's important to the game that a lone interceptor pilot (bubble immunity) can get through a null bear hell bubbled gate and hold someone much larger until his support fleet can arrive. Your premise that it should take a carrier to tackle a carrier or 10 BS to tackle a carrier or 50 cruisers is just crazy. It would give every ratting carrier that can anchor a bubble or 2 a permanent get out of jail free card. Carrier ratting risk would go from minimal to zero.

One of the great playing points of eve is that every pilot matters. Have you ever heard of the term hero tackle? It's a role that all (from newbro to experienced vet) can play. It's a vital role that leads to many interesting fights.

Your idea would reward 2 concepts: 1 - risk aversion (by making tackling a ship more difficult), 2 - blobbing (because that's what it would take to tackle stuff)

This isn't a FPS nor should it be like one. See in a FPS you run around getting your nuts blown off repeatedly and you just re-spawn and do it again. Don't get me wrong - there is fun in that, but it's not Eve. Eve pvp in many cases is about one group of guys tricking another group of guys into doing something they shouldn't and then paying for it. In some cases it's one group of guys tricking another group of guys into doing something they shouldn't only to find out they were the ones being tricked. This scales quite nicely from 5 guys to 1000s. One lone guy in a cheap frigate sized tackle ship being able to hold down a much more valuable prize is THE KEY to much of this. Most of the great fights in this game are the product of measured escalations that ultimately go well for one side and not the other.

FPS are small arenas where 10 vs 10 (or whatever) re-spawn fests happen and getting your nuts blown off is no big deal. Eve isn't even remotely similar.

So they become complete "must have"?