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Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#1 - 2017-04-01 21:08:40 UTC
I find the loyalty point system frustrating; not so much the LP themselves but trying to find a NPC corp that LP can actually be useful for. The one one I can think of is SOE becuase of the SOE probe launcgers and probes.

I've trued using calculators like on fuzzworks and I often find that the prices are no accurate, or the prives are accurate but no one purchases the items at those prices, for example the Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-701 is showing a almost 6m sell price at jita, but a look at the price history shows that nothing sold at that price. And then if you look at system thatare not Jita I find that the prices are inaccurate. On top of this there are many many NPC corps about which makes it difficult to find somethign decent to spend LP on and even more difficul tto find a corp.

I appreciate that people are not goign to give up the best NPC corps for LP, but there has to be a better way to search for LP items.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2017-04-02 01:46:20 UTC
I don't play the Market game very much so I'm not an expert but I do know that some LP items like Munitions sell for higher price when placed for sale in locations away from Market areas.

Course most items sell better in the Market areas like various types of Implants, Shield Extenders, Power Diagnostic Systems, etc, but usually at a lower price due to competition.

Basically I'm saying check various locations away from Market Hubs and see what items are in high demand there, set competitive price on items and and watch how well it does.

To easily view LP items available from different Corps - http://www.ellatha.com/eve/LP-Stores



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Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2017-04-02 02:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Coralas
Fuzzwork has the requirements column, and the 5% volume column, so you can figure out what has a lot of market exposure for costs (source of inaccuracy) and what doesn't move in volume.

Its extremely good at giving you a long list of stuff to ignore and a shorter list of stuff to research further.

As far as LP itself goes, people have been collecting it for more than 10 years, ie if anything becomes particularly valuable there is probably someone still playing the game that is sitting on a pile of suitable LP to exploit it with.
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#4 - 2017-04-02 04:01:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarek Kree
There used to be a website called www.evefight.com that rank ordered all of the corporations in the game based on LP/isk ratios. I went to link that and discovered that it was gone. That's unfortunate. It was pretty useful for giving you that data in a consolidated list without having to step through each corp. Perhaps Steve will be able to add that functionality to his Fuzzworks site someday.

Regardless, all of the information you need for LP/isk returns is in Fuzzworks. Focus on the 5% sell volume values to gauge the quantities getting bought and sold. That basically tells you how many items would sell if the top 5% of the market was bought or sold. The lower the value of the item, the higher that number needs to be to absorb your sell volume. If you're trading LP for a 300m isk implant, the 5% volume value can be as low as 1 (assuming you're only selling 1 or 2), but if you're selling something like Sisters Core Scanner Probes then you want that value to be at least 500-1000. I also tend to recheck the values and sell volumes on EVE Central so that I can see how many order are actually out there for each trade hub.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#5 - 2017-04-02 07:53:39 UTC
thanks for all the replies, ill take another look at fuzzworks, I wasn't really sure what that 5% column was about.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#6 - 2017-04-05 21:46:08 UTC
each of the main empires has 4 lp store subsets FW store, Navy store, Exploration store, and a Industry store. So many corps will fall under one of those and have the same store as many other corps belonging to that faction. The minor factions are set up a bit differently, SoE for instance has a highsec and nullsec stores.

the nice thing about Sisters LP is it is the easiest to farm. Laangisi is a closed constellation with no more than 2 jumps between systems, it is also a 0.5 system with low truesec so it has some of the highest LP payouts in highsec.

Most of the stores that beat Sisters are harder to farm and sure you might get better isk/lp but you will probably make less isk and lp running for them.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#7 - 2017-04-06 07:45:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicola Romanoff
Hi Chainsaw, thanks for replying. I didn't know about the subsets but had noticed that the items in most LP stores varied only slightly and so that is now clear to me as to why. And I noticed that minor factions had better items, especially the pirate factions, but they are of course mainly in null sec (if memory serves).

I had done SOE before becuase the probes and launchers can be easy isk even if you offload them at buy price but I remember having numerous issues with griefers when doing the SOE missions which was a pain. There isn't much else around in high sec that seems to offer much worthwhile, especially when looking at the LP calculators (like fuzzworks) the only accurate pricing is Jita's).

When I was looking for items I did ignore the blueprints becuase they seem to all require tags, lots and lots of tags. I avoid faction missions so I never really come across tags, and I dont buy them on market as they can be expensive and therefore really water down, or obliterate any profit that may be in the item.
Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#8 - 2017-04-06 08:45:16 UTC
what kind of griefers are you talking about?
During my mission career, I've only encountered bumpers and MTU hunters, and both aren't great issues.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#9 - 2017-04-06 11:35:43 UTC
A number of times I had people come into the mission I was in specifically to steal whatever item/s I need to complete the mission and then they tried to sell it back to me.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2017-04-06 15:48:10 UTC
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
I had done SOE before becuase the probes and launchers can be easy isk even if you offload them at buy price but I remember having numerous issues with griefers when doing the SOE missions which was a pain. There isn't much else around in high sec that seems to offer much worthwhile, especially when looking at the LP calculators (like fuzzworks) the only accurate pricing is Jita's).

When I was looking for items I did ignore the blueprints becuase they seem to all require tags, lots and lots of tags. I avoid faction missions so I never really come across tags, and I dont buy them on market as they can be expensive and therefore really water down, or obliterate any profit that may be in the item.

most of the blueprints are at 1500-2500 isk/lp after buying the tags, outside of the blueprints you are typically looking at ~1000 isk/lp. SoE is looking to be around 1500 these days, although that isn't really too bad as you can make more SoE LP/hr than any other in highsec.

as far as mission looters go, I haven't seen one in years. imo the key is to move quickly it takes them time to scan people down and they typically go for the easy targets.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#11 - 2017-04-06 16:14:55 UTC
If the critical items stealing is really a problem for you, just decline those missions. Dont worry about the standing loss. They are easy to regain as long as you continue doing lv4 missions.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#12 - 2017-04-06 16:36:25 UTC
Loyalty points needs to go away like Aurum is.
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#13 - 2017-04-06 18:28:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Loyalty points needs to go away like Aurum is.


I don't know about that. LP serves a number of critical functions in the game. For one, that's how CCP controls the flow of certain items into the market. It's also the mechanism that keeps missioners spread out and makes different factions relevant. If you got rid of LP, you'd still have to replicate those functions through an alternative mechanism. And if you're doing that, you may as well keep LP.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#14 - 2017-04-06 18:29:14 UTC
LP is an isk sink and provides trade opportunities, LP is one of the best mechanics in the game right now not sure why you would want to get rid of it.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Scialt
Corporate Navy Police Force
Sleep Reapers
#15 - 2017-04-06 18:58:14 UTC


I get annoyed at the exchange part of LP stuff. Collecting all the stuff besides LP you need to cash in to get an item annoys the heck out of me... to the point I now pretty much only get stuff like implants that doesn't need anything aside from isk. I wish more had the option to just use isk to avoid supplying base items/tags/whatever... even if it were at a bit of a premium to do so.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#16 - 2017-04-06 21:55:06 UTC
Scialt wrote:
I get annoyed at the exchange part of LP stuff. Collecting all the stuff besides LP you need to cash in to get an item annoys the heck out of me...

more money for me then Bear

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Orin Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2017-04-07 00:38:01 UTC
LP gives rewards that cannot be mass produced by industrialists so I'm happy with it. It also doesn't contribute to ISK inflation and encourages people to take part in the market at some point rather than collecting ISK only.
Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#18 - 2017-04-07 03:15:08 UTC
Scialt wrote:


I get annoyed at the exchange part of LP stuff. Collecting all the stuff besides LP you need to cash in to get an item annoys the heck out of me... to the point I now pretty much only get stuff like implants that doesn't need anything aside from isk. I wish more had the option to just use isk to avoid supplying base items/tags/whatever... even if it were at a bit of a premium to do so.


There're pretty a lot items in the LP store that only requires some common T1 items (among with the isk and LP). You can just go for those.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#19 - 2017-04-07 07:32:40 UTC
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
Scialt wrote:


I get annoyed at the exchange part of LP stuff. Collecting all the stuff besides LP you need to cash in to get an item annoys the heck out of me... to the point I now pretty much only get stuff like implants that doesn't need anything aside from isk. I wish more had the option to just use isk to avoid supplying base items/tags/whatever... even if it were at a bit of a premium to do so.


There're pretty a lot items in the LP store that only requires some common T1 items (among with the isk and LP). You can just go for those.


Also if all items just required ISK then their value would decrease, the only reason those other items have a better LP/ISK is because they require more effort.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
#20 - 2017-04-07 07:53:43 UTC
I have no issue with items requring more items than just ISK, but when it comes to tags I just wish there was alternative ways of getting them apart from blowing your status with a faction or simply buying off market. If your doing a security mission with an NPC corp there should be a chance of any tags that are required for items in the P store of that NPC corp to drop without losing status against a faction, or even be able to buy tags for LP under the store. The methods of aquiring the tags at the moment I think are too limiting.
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