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Should CCP look at limiting Jita local chat to 2 post per???
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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2017-04-03 14:43:01 UTC
Yebo Lakatosh wrote:
So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?

Can I also propose to limit the income of mining to 10 mil ISK/hour? I never mined, and I don't hold miners in the highest regard, so I think my idea is very good.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#22 - 2017-04-03 15:05:40 UTC
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Should CCP look at limiting Jita local chat to 2 post per???

I can't think of a bigger waste of coders time. Even if it only took three minutes to write the scripts.

Jita local in not bottlenecked by the amount of spam, it's bottlenecked by the speed it can be posted. It would scroll by just as fast if there was a two post limit simply due to the shear amount of player/bots posting.

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Conrad Makbure
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2017-04-03 23:38:11 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Jita has been and still thee worst place for spam posts, while sometimes amusing maybe it's time to cap local in Jita to a maximum amount of posts per player similar to the timer thing when you jettison a can and have to wait to jettison another.

We have the ability to have channels so maybe its time to use them, or maybe a Jita merchant channel that pops up just like the incursion channel does and still cap local so spam is not easy, if its important enough people can always have private chats that are completely unlimited, anyway any ideals?



I don't think max post per player will solve anything, what they should look at is what's been mentioned before in the past and I'll mention it again: shut down local chat - not just in Jita, all game-wide. Local is 98% just spam and sh!t talking. The other 2% usually ends with going to a player-made channel or one of the alternate game channels.

Really, it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen, it's pure garbage chat content, not to mention a b/s source of intel that is hard pressed to justify other than 'technical limitations'. Technical limitations my ass.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#24 - 2017-04-04 06:40:09 UTC
Well, I remember such thread emerged years ago and was considerably long. Full of different ideas. But nothing was made on CCP side, as if they would not care at all. 😛

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#25 - 2017-04-04 22:27:56 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Just block the annoying ones that spam the same rip off contract every 3 seconds.

Eventually Local chat will clean up and then you can converse with other players.



DMC

Jita is no different from other locations. Once the spammers are blocked, local gets very, very quiet...

Remove standings and insurance.
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#26 - 2017-04-05 11:37:29 UTC
Why would u go there unless you have to?

once in a while i go there to pick up a bunch of stuff, cuz it saves me millions.

But i'm always glad when i enter the jumpgate out.

Jita is the biggest hellhole in eve and all you people know it, allthough some of u will never admit it P
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2017-04-05 17:07:09 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Yebo Lakatosh wrote:
So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?

Can I also propose to limit the income of mining to 10 mil ISK/hour? I never mined, and I don't hold miners in the highest regard, so I think my idea is very good.

#rocklivesmatter


Yes scammers need their income too, I mine on occasion but almost never sell ore or minerals, my income is mostly derived from selling goods and ships, selling raw materials is mostly a no, I pay for my account instead of grinding to plex it because it keeps the lights on at CCP.


Considering that people who plex their accounts put more money in ccp's pocket, and thus do more to 'keep the lights on' than someone who pays via subscription.
the very fact that you have some weird elitist view of paying vs plexing, shows you have zero idea of how even the most basic aspects of the eve economy works, and thus any changes you propose that would influence that economy are null and void.
Zeke Harthura
Safety Hazard
#28 - 2017-04-05 19:26:40 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Piugattuk wrote:
Yebo Lakatosh wrote:
So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?

Can I also propose to limit the income of mining to 10 mil ISK/hour? I never mined, and I don't hold miners in the highest regard, so I think my idea is very good.

#rocklivesmatter


Yes scammers need their income too, I mine on occasion but almost never sell ore or minerals, my income is mostly derived from selling goods and ships, selling raw materials is mostly a no, I pay for my account instead of grinding to plex it because it keeps the lights on at CCP.


Considering that people who plex their accounts put more money in ccp's pocket, and thus do more to 'keep the lights on' than someone who pays via subscription.
the very fact that you have some weird elitist view of paying vs plexing, shows you have zero idea of how even the most basic aspects of the eve economy works, and thus any changes you propose that would influence that economy are null and void.


He never said anything about being better than someone grinding for a plex bro. Maybe you should re-think who the elitist really is?
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#29 - 2017-04-05 19:40:17 UTC
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#30 - 2017-04-05 20:49:43 UTC
Af course you can always change chanel to not be tempted to click all those amazing last chance contracts in local, and dont even get me started on all those desperate people wanting only to double your ISK. Your loss.

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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#31 - 2017-04-05 22:01:59 UTC
Is this one of those "CCP, KILL LOCAL!" threads?

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#32 - 2017-04-06 04:58:02 UTC
Were it up to me™ I would shut down all local chat in Jita.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2017-04-06 06:07:33 UTC
Zeke Harthura wrote:
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Piugattuk wrote:
Yebo Lakatosh wrote:
So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?

Can I also propose to limit the income of mining to 10 mil ISK/hour? I never mined, and I don't hold miners in the highest regard, so I think my idea is very good.

#rocklivesmatter


Yes scammers need their income too, I mine on occasion but almost never sell ore or minerals, my income is mostly derived from selling goods and ships, selling raw materials is mostly a no, I pay for my account instead of grinding to plex it because it keeps the lights on at CCP.


Considering that people who plex their accounts put more money in ccp's pocket, and thus do more to 'keep the lights on' than someone who pays via subscription.
the very fact that you have some weird elitist view of paying vs plexing, shows you have zero idea of how even the most basic aspects of the eve economy works, and thus any changes you propose that would influence that economy are null and void.


He never said anything about being better than someone grinding for a plex bro. Maybe you should re-think who the elitist really is?



My aren't we defensive.
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2017-04-06 14:14:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Yebo Lakatosh
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Considering that people who plex their accounts put more money in ccp's pocket, and thus do more to 'keep the lights on' than someone who pays via subscription.
Wait, what? Let's derail this thread, it's not too interesting so far anyways.

So... care to elaborate? I have the feeling you are wrong, but I'd sleep a lot better at night if you convinced me that you are right. Let me present how I see the math here (to simplify the question, let's just look at one account/player here):


Player 'A' buys (for the sake of simplicity again) 1plex / month, thus paying 4*X. That wouldn't make much sense if he wasn't also a subscriber, so it's reasonable to assume that he pays 7*X / month.

Player 'B' subscribes, thus pays 3*X to CCP every month.

Player 'C' grinds the ISK to plex, thus paying 0*X per month.


What am I missing that makes you say that the order of how much the three hypothetical players help 'keeping the lights on' isn't a definite 'A' > 'B' > 'C' ?


Or were you referring to a Player 'D', who buys plex for Omega time, essentially paying 4*X instead of 3*X per month, out of pure altruism?

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Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2017-04-06 14:45:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Bjorn Tyrson
Yebo Lakatosh wrote:
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Considering that people who plex their accounts put more money in ccp's pocket, and thus do more to 'keep the lights on' than someone who pays via subscription.
Wait, what? Let's derail this thread, it's not too interesting so far anyways.

So... care to elaborate? I have the feeling you are wrong, but I'd sleep a lot better at night if you convinced me that you are right. Let me present how I see the math here (to simplify the question, let's just look at one account/player here):


Player 'A' buys (for the sake of simplicity again) 1plex / month, thus paying 4*X. That wouldn't make much sense if he wasn't also a subscriber, so it's reasonable to assume that he pays 7*X / month.

Player 'B' subscribes, thus pays 3*X to CCP every month.

Player 'C' grinds the ISK to plex, thus paying 0*X per month.


What am I missing that makes you say that the order of how much the three hypothetical players help 'keeping the lights on' isn't a definite 'A' > 'B' > 'C' ?


Or were you referring to a Player 'D', who buys plex for Omega time, essentially paying 4*X instead of 3*X per month, out of pure altruism?


Without player C's using the plex for game time, there would be no demand for plex (okay maybe aurum, but that likely makes up a tiny fraction of the plex use) thus there would be no reason for player A to buy a plex at all, since it would be worthless, so either player C would need to subscribe (loosing ccp 1x/month) or in the case of alt accounts etc, just let them lapse. loosing ccp 4x/month.

note that I never said that people who plex their account GIVE ccp more money directly, simply that they put more money in ccps pocket, because the 4x that it takes to sustain their account needs to come from somewhere, and is more than the 3x that a sub pays.
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2017-04-06 15:15:52 UTC
That's completely and utterly... umm makes sense.

What a strange place New Eden is..

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Cristl
#37 - 2017-04-06 15:43:06 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Yebo Lakatosh wrote:
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Considering that people who plex their accounts put more money in ccp's pocket, and thus do more to 'keep the lights on' than someone who pays via subscription.
Wait, what? Let's derail this thread, it's not too interesting so far anyways.

So... care to elaborate? I have the feeling you are wrong, but I'd sleep a lot better at night if you convinced me that you are right. Let me present how I see the math here (to simplify the question, let's just look at one account/player here):


Player 'A' buys (for the sake of simplicity again) 1plex / month, thus paying 4*X. That wouldn't make much sense if he wasn't also a subscriber, so it's reasonable to assume that he pays 7*X / month.

Player 'B' subscribes, thus pays 3*X to CCP every month.

Player 'C' grinds the ISK to plex, thus paying 0*X per month.


What am I missing that makes you say that the order of how much the three hypothetical players help 'keeping the lights on' isn't a definite 'A' > 'B' > 'C' ?


Or were you referring to a Player 'D', who buys plex for Omega time, essentially paying 4*X instead of 3*X per month, out of pure altruism?


Without player C's using the plex for game time, there would be no demand for plex (okay maybe aurum, but that likely makes up a tiny fraction of the plex use) thus there would be no reason for player A to buy a plex at all, since it would be worthless, so either player C would need to subscribe (loosing ccp 1x/month) or in the case of alt accounts etc, just let them lapse. loosing ccp 4x/month.

note that I never said that people who plex their account GIVE ccp more money directly, simply that they put more money in ccps pocket, because the 4x that it takes to sustain their account needs to come from somewhere, and is more than the 3x that a sub pays.
These arguments are predicated upon there being no black market for ISK to Real Money conversions.

There exist websites, which I will not name here, where characters, items, ISK and whole accounts can be sold for real world cash. Bearing that in mind, the whole system could fail if the people who have real life time to spare to grind ISK/items, and the people who have real cash to spend to avoid grinding, do exchanges. I hope this is self-evident (yes, some must subscribe, but they would be running computer subroutines that make fat cheques, so CCP would make little money).

Therefore, there exists a danger that CCP risks people turning solely to the black market, and hence making no cash at all. Obviously the threat of the ban-hammer mitigates this, but with alpha alts, virtual porn-connections or whatever they are called, and other factors, they do need to tread carefully.

The argument that a PLEX was paid for by someone, so CCP have nothing to worry about, relies on the premise 'people would never risk turning to RMT'.

Which, as Blackadder would have said, is "bollocks".
Commander Spurty
#38 - 2017-04-06 15:56:17 UTC
He'll make it cost to submit messages through "local" everywhere except wormhole space tbh.

Doesn't have to be 100million ISK ( like sending noob corp mails) but, there again makes you wonder why not?

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Oranen
Tax Skippers
#39 - 2017-04-06 16:10:45 UTC
Why do you even have local open in Jita? Seriously? I never have local chat open anywhere, I have the player liste open and the chat behind another window. Nothing anyone says in local chat is worth reading, doubly so in Jita.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#40 - 2017-04-06 16:26:55 UTC
Oranen wrote:
Why do you even have local open in Jita? Seriously? I never have local chat open anywhere, I have the player liste open and the chat behind another window. Nothing anyone says in local chat is worth reading, doubly so in Jita.


An option to actually drag the player list all the way across the local window would solve a lot of these issues actually. Blink

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
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