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Alpha Clones serious mining restrictions...

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Reinhardt Kreiss
TetraVaal Tactical Group
#81 - 2017-01-15 13:20:35 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
What I still dont get is why no mining drones.

Trial accounts had mining drones., alphas no mining drones.
A venture can only carry 2 anyway. It's not even like people would be using t2 mining drones or Ice harvesting or big rorq drones.
Just regular mining drone 1s. Makes no sense.


It's CCP hinting at the fact that a Venture shouldn't use them because it leaves no room for lights.

It's weird, lots of newbies in Rookie channel talk about mining drones. I really want find the person/guide that tells newbies to get them and punch the person who said that in the face, repeatedly.
Akane Togenada
Doomheim
#82 - 2017-01-15 15:18:51 UTC
Reinhardt Kreiss wrote:
It's CCP hinting at the fact that a Venture shouldn't use them because it leaves no room for lights.

It's weird, lots of newbies in Rookie channel talk about mining drones. I really want find the person/guide that tells newbies to get them and punch the person who said that in the face, repeatedly.


If I where to guess said player(s) probably sells Mining Drones at exorbitant prices and tries to trick newbies into buying them. Either that or the advisor is just completely clueless.
Greg Fawx
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#83 - 2017-01-16 10:28:58 UTC
Alpha clones are trial accounts forever. The idea behind it is simple my friend. Eve is so deep and "leveling" takes real time and patience instead of grinding skills unlike other games . So.. A 14 days trial is not enough to experience a demo of what this game can offer you. Therefore .. Trial accounts forever. Trial. If you tried the game, you liked it and you think mining is for you then upgrade to omega with no limitations.
Chihuahuaraffe
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2017-01-16 15:33:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Chihuahuaraffe
Indeed, the whole point of Alpha limitations is to annoy you enough that you subscribe. Arguing how to optimize Alphas so that they offer more of what people want is silly.

So far from what I've seen the Alpha starting skillset, permitted ships, and available training seems almost perfect. You can do a little bit of everything, there are no limitations on what you can buy and sell, or how much ISK you can acquire (AFAIK), PLEX trading, etc., and you can do real progression through skill training and earning isk to pay for different ships.

You can chat in any channel and you can join any corp. Find another game that has such a generous unlimited trial option.

But almost everyone who finds they enjoy the game will very quickly start aspiring to something greater, and it's bringing in a lot of new subscribers as well as selling a lot of PLEX, which is all good for EVE.

A few people get angry when they see that Alpha is limited, but usually you just have to point out that EVE is a subscription-based game, not a micro-transaction Free-to-Pay game.

Overall I think Alpha is the best thing to happen to the game in years.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#85 - 2017-01-16 17:43:57 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
What I still dont get is why no mining drones.

Trial accounts had mining drones., alphas no mining drones.
A venture can only carry 2 anyway. It's not even like people would be using t2 mining drones or Ice harvesting or big rorq drones.
Just regular mining drone 1s. Makes no sense.


Old trial accounts could not fly industrial ships though and the Alphas can. I am guessing that someone looked at the Nereus and noted that you can fit over a 17,000m3 hold and use 3 mining drones for a lazy afternoon of afk veld mining and thought it wouldn't be a good idea.

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Vokan Narkar
New Eden Traders Aliance
#86 - 2017-04-04 18:20:04 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
What I still dont get is why no mining drones.

Trial accounts had mining drones., alphas no mining drones.
A venture can only carry 2 anyway. It's not even like people would be using t2 mining drones or Ice harvesting or big rorq drones.
Just regular mining drone 1s. Makes no sense.


Old trial accounts could not fly industrial ships though and the Alphas can. I am guessing that someone looked at the Nereus and noted that you can fit over a 17,000m3 hold and use 3 mining drones for a lazy afternoon of afk veld mining and thought it wouldn't be a good idea.

Trial accounts were able to fly industrial ships and not just from one faction but all of them and you could skill it to level 5 while alpha is restricted to level 1. Trial account wasn't limited in skills at all only by time you have to train them which essentially meant you could never get to mining barges with trial as the trial ended before you could train the skill to fly it.
Piugattuk
Lone Star Warriors
Evictus.
#87 - 2017-04-04 23:04:01 UTC
ShockedBig smile
roberts dragon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2017-04-05 08:10:00 UTC
you can mine in just about any alpha ship , venture is quite good for many reasons , you should join a corp and go null sec where you can earn shed loads more mining .

the alpha was designed to give you a very good taste of what you can do in the game , ccp has to make cash or there wont be no game , try fitting differnet ships like cruisers even a gnosis has a large cargo hold .

Ijon-Tichy
Ze One Man Show
#89 - 2017-04-05 08:12:08 UTC
We had the "Alphas should be able to fly mining barges” idea in the Player Features and Ideas section (where it belongs imho). Latest one: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6866935#post6866935

I mined a bit on one of my Alpha accounts just to it check out and managed to get around 5 Million ISK per hour. I was mining with a Venture in a system that had free citadel compression (quite common now) and had some occasional boost from a friendly Porpoise. If you compare that to other starter PVE activities in HighSec that is an OK income for just orbiting semi AFK and shooting rocks. I did a new skillplan for an Alt while mining – can’t do that while missioning.

The Venture is quite an awesome little ship for the price and I think it is not values enough because of the low price tag, because you get several free form career agents and because there is no smaller mining ship. I still use Ventures on my Omega account to huff gas in wormholes (a thing alphas can do too) because it has the best risk vs. reward ratio when I huff in other people’s WHs.

Last but not least: Free Barges may couse a drop of subs and would give more incentive to run multiple Alpha accounts. If you get caught only free accounts are lost, so better don't tease them Mulitboxers to much.
Oraac Ensor
#90 - 2017-04-05 11:35:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
Vokan Narkar wrote:
Trial accounts were able to fly industrial ships . . .

Nope.
Mama Carebear
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2017-04-05 12:27:26 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Vokan Narkar wrote:
Trial accounts were able to fly industrial ships . . .

Nope.

Just logged in an old trial, about 1 Mio SP, it does have industrial trained.

Old trials got 2 industrials from the career agents, you had to buy the skill book.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#92 - 2017-04-05 12:31:54 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
It's not going to make you feel any better, but the whole game is 80% PVP and 20% mining/industry/PVE.

You have your numbers all messed up it is more like 60 / 40 in favor of PvE activities to make ISK so they can afford to go lose ships in PvP.
Oraac Ensor
#93 - 2017-04-05 15:17:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
Mama Carebear wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Vokan Narkar wrote:
Trial accounts were able to fly industrial ships . . .

Nope.

Just logged in an old trial, about 1 Mio SP, it does have industrial trained.

Old trials got 2 industrials from the career agents, you had to buy the skill book.

Your old trial must pre-date the Red Moon Rising expansion (16 December 2005). Extract from relevant patch notes:
Quote:
In an effort to curb Trial account abuses, it is no longer be possible to train piloting skills other than [Race] Frigates, [Race] Cruisers, Destroyers and Spaceship Command on Trial accounts, nor will it be possible to pilot ships other than these classes on Trial accounts. Subscription accounts have no such limitation on training or piloting.

[Edit] Or the account must have been subscribed at some time.

The career agents did indeed give two industrials, just as they do now, but from RMR onwards they couldn't be trained or used without subscription.
Vokan Narkar
New Eden Traders Aliance
#94 - 2017-04-05 18:20:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Vokan Narkar
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Mama Carebear wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Vokan Narkar wrote:
Trial accounts were able to fly industrial ships . . .

Nope.

Just logged in an old trial, about 1 Mio SP, it does have industrial trained.

Old trials got 2 industrials from the career agents, you had to buy the skill book.

Your old trial must pre-date the Red Moon Rising expansion (16 December 2005). Extract from relevant patch notes:
Quote:
In an effort to curb Trial account abuses, it is no longer be possible to train piloting skills other than [Race] Frigates, [Race] Cruisers, Destroyers and Spaceship Command on Trial accounts, nor will it be possible to pilot ships other than these classes on Trial accounts. Subscription accounts have no such limitation on training or piloting.

[Edit] Or the account must have been subscribed at some time.

The career agents did indeed give two industrials, just as they do now, but from RMR onwards they couldn't be trained or used without subscription.

I used to fly industrials on trial account around 2 months before Ascension came and that account was never subscribed. I could also post you the kill report as that character was killed by CODE.
Oraac Ensor
#95 - 2017-04-06 00:55:45 UTC
Vokan Narkar wrote:
I used to fly industrials on trial account around 2 months before Ascension came and that account was never subscribed. I could also post you the kill report as that character was killed by CODE.

OopsOopsOopsOopsOops

I have just discovered that the restriction was lifted in the Phoebe expansion on 4 November 2014.

That passed me by completely - profuse apologies to all concerned.

OopsOopsOopsOopsOops
Kathern Aurilen
#96 - 2017-04-06 01:58:20 UTC
FQPW wrote:
As a alpha clone player trying out EVE Online I seriously find that people like me that really enjoy mining are being left out.
Combat players have a variety of frigates, destroyers and cruisers.
Miners only get a Venture...
At least give Alpha Clones access to Mining Barges.
And I am not even talking about the skills for mining and industry which I could count on 2 hands.
Compared to combat skills which are a lot it is just ridiculous.

Please improve the mining capabilities for Alpha Cloners.

I think flying a venture is like flying ships up to cruisers, the bottom 3rd of the tier ships.

I almost see barges are like t2 and exumers are almost like a t2 Navy or t3 of mining ships.

No cuts, no butts, no coconuts!

Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!

Kathern Aurilen
#97 - 2017-04-06 06:58:52 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Mama Carebear wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Vokan Narkar wrote:
Trial accounts were able to fly industrial ships . . .

Nope.

Just logged in an old trial, about 1 Mio SP, it does have industrial trained.

Old trials got 2 industrials from the career agents, you had to buy the skill book.

Your old trial must pre-date the Red Moon Rising expansion (16 December 2005). Extract from relevant patch notes:
Quote:
In an effort to curb Trial account abuses, it is no longer be possible to train piloting skills other than [Race] Frigates, [Race] Cruisers, Destroyers and Spaceship Command on Trial accounts, nor will it be possible to pilot ships other than these classes on Trial accounts. Subscription accounts have no such limitation on training or piloting.

[Edit] Or the account must have been subscribed at some time.

The career agents did indeed give two industrials, just as they do now, but from RMR onwards they couldn't be trained or used without subscription.

I started in 2012 and I'm pretty sure I was racing a hurricane to the gate in an itaron 1 in my first trip to low sec following my first few missions getting into eve still under trial. I quit doing missions because I couldn't defend myself following these crazy missions.

No cuts, no butts, no coconuts!

Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!

Mama Carebear
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2017-04-06 14:58:58 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Vokan Narkar wrote:
I used to fly industrials on trial account around 2 months before Ascension came and that account was never subscribed. I could also post you the kill report as that character was killed by CODE.

OopsOopsOopsOopsOops

I have just discovered that the restriction was lifted in the Phoebe expansion on 4 November 2014.

That passed me by completely - profuse apologies to all concerned.

OopsOopsOopsOopsOops


You are right ;), Account was created in 2015

I do remember there was a time when Trials had to fit a destroyer (Gallente, Amarr pref) with cargo expanders and cargo rigs to get above 1000m³.

Well, I'm getting old...
Kathern Aurilen
#99 - 2017-04-12 17:59:26 UTC
Maekchu wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
Maekchu wrote:
Maybe you should look into ninja gas huffing.

I don't think Alphas get the Gas Huffing skill, but I might be mistaken there.

Checked. They can use the Gas Cloud Harvester I.

It goes to 2 for an alpha, that's enough to fit a venture. I trained it up yesterday.

No cuts, no butts, no coconuts!

Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!

Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#100 - 2017-04-12 21:24:00 UTC
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