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I want the Ingame Browser back!!!

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#21 - 2017-04-04 15:53:56 UTC
grin man wrote:
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
You COULD get a second monitor, window eve, and not even have to bother alt tabbing.



Oh so i will be able to right click on dotlan and set destination on this second monitor?


I'll test DOTLAN tonight, but you already can on Pathfinder

@lunettelulu7

Teros Hakomairos
Doomheim
#22 - 2017-04-04 16:16:34 UTC
Chris Wagi wrote:
I want back the ingame Browser!!!

its a mess to ALT-Tab around the screen!!!


NO...

It's CCP's property........

no wishes,no demands......

you can always leave,there is the door.....
Zircon Dasher
#23 - 2017-04-04 17:04:06 UTC
I want a mankini made of Monarch butterflies.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#24 - 2017-04-04 17:04:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
No, it was removed for good reason. Would you use a crippled browser that was out of date when it was implemented, and has rarely if ever been patched in the years since, in a software product that you're trying to sell?

Use a second monitor or any of the numerous free apps/overlays that allow you to have an always on top browser.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2017-04-04 17:10:14 UTC
Absolutely a second monitor.

I got a 5:4, 19 inch for free from work. Does its job.

PYFA, Dotlan, Tripwire sooooo easy.


P.S. 'Win' + 'Shift', toggle left and right arrow

If you always stay ready you don't have to get ready.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#26 - 2017-04-04 17:20:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Trasch Taranogas wrote:
Absolutely a second monitor.

I got a 5:4, 19 inch for free from work. Does its job.

PYFA, Dotlan, Tripwire sooooo easy.


P.S. 'Win' + 'Shift', toggle left and right arrow
I just plug into the TV, and use my normal monitor as the secondary. Eve on a big screen TV is a sight to behold.

BTW are you sure it's not "win" + "tab"?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2017-04-04 17:24:29 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


BTW are you sure it's not "win" + "tab"?


Using Nordic keyboard. Flips browser between monitors.

If you always stay ready you don't have to get ready.

Cade Windstalker
#28 - 2017-04-04 20:56:13 UTC
Agondray wrote:
there whole reason for removing IGB wasn't because of security at all. the sole comment given for its removal is

"it's too much work to keep it updated"

over the years CCP has proved a to shun as much work as they can because something's too much or programming is hard


What, exactly, did you think they were having to keep it updated with?

Security was specifically discussed as a main concern, you can go back and dig up the removal thread if you want to read about it, a bunch of devs were active in that thread. There were also concerns over it not being able to even display a lot of newer web pages, but the security issues it presented were the primary concern.

After all, CCP are an internet spaceships company, not a web browser company.

Also please learn to read "too much work" not as "lazy" but as "takes too much time away from other things" because that's what that means in dev land.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#29 - 2017-04-04 23:21:17 UTC
Chris Wagi wrote:
I want back the ingame Browser!!!

its a mess to ALT-Tab around the screen!!!


Get a second screen and stop being poor.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#30 - 2017-04-04 23:30:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
You COULD get a second monitor, window eve, and not even have to bother alt tabbing.


I've played for five years on a laptop while sitting on my couch. Now I need to buy multiple monitors to play properly, just because CCP didn't want to patch the in game browser? Last I checked it's hard to set up multiple monitors in front of me on a couch.

Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
But they banned Casino's, so no reason to have IGB anymore Roll


You've never been in a WH, have you?
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#31 - 2017-04-04 23:39:27 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:


I've played for five years on a laptop while sitting on my couch. Now I need to buy multiple monitors to play properly, just because CCP didn't want to patch the in game browser? Last I checked it's hard to set up multiple monitors in front of me on a couch.


Ever upgraded an ingame browser?
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Fortis Fortuna Adiuvatt
#32 - 2017-04-05 00:27:59 UTC
Wow.

Internet couch-potatoes are calling video game devs lazy because re-inventing the wheel is impractical .

The Nintendo Switch? It was hacked almost instantly from an old version of WebKit that was included to view things like ToS in a 'browser' like program.

Anybody with a brain can see why CCP ditched re-inventing the modern web-browser. I'd rather have content.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#33 - 2017-04-05 00:56:17 UTC
There is good developers

Quote:
too much work


And there is bad developers

Good thing i am not so smart otherwise i would laugh at the idea that stop / play / skip a song require simultaneous effort of 5 dev teams to maintain.

I think that dude they kept locked in server room to swap manually vinyls finally got away.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
#34 - 2017-04-05 02:33:45 UTC
Id just love to see some integration for overlays for other browsers. But I see there are suitable other programs anyways. Itd still be cool to do though. Same with integration of popular music players to return the jukebox in some fashion. But I doubt itd be super easy or necessary.

But yes a second monitor is a lot more fun imo.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2017-04-05 02:44:20 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
And for those who say the IGB allowed your computer to be susceptible to malicious code, I say get a better security program for your computer.

As someone that actually does understand something about ITSec, your advice is utter bullshit at best and it doesn't fix anything about the underlying problem.

The utter bullshit around here in almost every thread is constantly coming from you. As I said before, I never had any security problems at all when using the IGB and I used it quite extensively when logged into the game. Please post links to forum threads where players claimed their computers were infected by malicious content due to using the IGB.

Cade Windstalker wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Seems a lot of people keep saying that and in my 8+ years of playing this game I've never heard of anyone contracting a virus or having a security breach on their computers due to the IGB.

I think CCP removed it for the same reason they removed the in-game jukebox and for the same reason they removed the Evelopedia and for the same reason they're removing these forums.

It's all about downsizing their server's expenditures.


DMC


I have, there used to be a certain class of Jita spammer (probably still is for all I know) that would spam links to malicious websites. There were never very many of them and they tended to get perma-banned pretty quickly, but they definitely existed.

Stuff like the IGB, Jukebox, and Evelopedia were removed not because of serve expense but because of the cost in dev time. All of these things suck fairly large amounts of dev time to keep curated and working relative to their benefit to the community. The Jukebox and IGB are both client side, they cost zero server time. The Evelopedia doesn't cost nearly as much in server resources as you might think, being a static website, it was just a mess for CCP to keep up to date and curated.

Oh and as for the idea that you can just "get a better security program" just no, that's not how any of this works. The whole point of a vulnerability is that it gets someone around your firewall and your anti-virus, and if the attacker is remotely clever about it they can then disable or hobble them so whatever they've done won't be detected. Assuming they've even done something, rather than just running some malicious code in the IGB without actually installing anything permanent. It can just sit there and scrape passwords or whatever and nothing will show up on your next virus scan.

The idea that something as old and held together with duct tape as the IGB could have its security concerns removed just by running AV software is ridiculous.

Another great example of utter bullshit. There was very little Dev time spent on the Jukebox, the IGB and Evelopedia after they were implemented. Also none of those applications were client side, only the control settings for those applications were client side.

As for players computers being infected by malicious content due to the IGB, please post links to examples of that actually happening to Eve Players. I've been an active member of these forums for almost 8 years and I've never once seen any thread claiming that issue.

Some of you people are really quite gullible and will believe anything CCP says. Guess you don't realize the age old meme of Soon™ actually pertains to Dev's and their claims here in Eve.


DMC

Cade Windstalker
#36 - 2017-04-05 03:05:11 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Another great example of utter bullshit. There was very little Dev time spent on the Jukebox, the IGB and Evelopedia after they were implemented. Also none of those applications were client side, only the control settings for those applications were client side.

As for players computers being infected by malicious content due to the IGB, please post links to examples of that actually happening to Eve Players. I've been an active member of these forums for almost 8 years and I've never once seen any thread claiming that issue.

Some of you people are really quite gullible and will believe anything CCP says. Guess you don't realize the age old meme of Soon™ actually pertains to Dev's and their claims here in Eve.


DMC



Look, DMC, I have a fair amount of respect for you normally but you're waaaaay off the mark here.

First off, the Jukebox and IGB are both entirely client-side applications. The Jukebox ran in the game and loaded music from your PC, either from your Eve install or from a local file folder. It never had to talk to the Eve servers to work or do any of the things it did.

Similarly the IGB is entirely client side. It takes web pages from the web and displayed them in *your client*.

Both took dev time to keep working and maintain. I suspect you're saying they took none because we never saw any significant updates to them, but that's kind of the problem here. They took dev time just by existing. The Jukebox had to keep up with updates to audio formats, even old ones get updates sometimes. The IGB had a similar but much larger issue in that web pages are a constantly evolving standard, and at the point it was retired the IGB was equivalent to something like IE-6 or 7, or like Chrome 1.0 which is *ancient*. That's without getting into the bug reports either of those generated, which is another drain on dev time.

The Evelopedia took up time to curate and keep up to date, and in the last few years of its life it was basically *never* up to date, and every time there was something missing off it someone at CCP had to spend time to update it.

I personally don't have any instances that I can point to of someone losing their account due to the IGB, but I wouldn't really expect there to be any anyways. First off, if someone's lost their account they can't post about it here. On top of that it's not like this is some hacker movie where the screen flickers as soon as the bad link is clicked. You click the link, a page loads for a sec and waits a second, and then it either sends you off to whatever legit Eve site it was pretending to be or it's malicious code that's been snuck into the site in question through an ad or something.

That's without getting into CCP's own API and the info the IGB could give someone without even having to break anything.

With the IGB, Jukebox, and Evelopedia CCP were given a choice between spending a lot of time and effort to update them to the point of being functional again, or they could retire them, and it was quite a reasonable thing for them to choose the latter. I'd rather have a team dedicated to new Ships or new Art or basically any other in-space feature rather than the team it would take to maintain the IGB and/or Jukebox and keep them even vaguely patched, bug fixed, and up to date.

This isn't BS, this is my professional view as someone who works with software every day. CCP did the right thing in retiring a couple of horrible old legacy applications that were so far past their sell-by date they qualified for a senior's discount at IHOP.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2017-04-05 05:35:26 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:


Look, DMC, I have a fair amount of respect for you normally but you're waaaaay off the mark here.

First off, the Jukebox and IGB are both entirely client-side applications. The Jukebox ran in the game and loaded music from your PC, either from your Eve install or from a local file folder. It never had to talk to the Eve servers to work or do any of the things it did.

Similarly the IGB is entirely client side. It takes web pages from the web and displayed them in *your client*.

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The Evelopedia took up time to curate and keep up to date, and in the last few years of its life it was basically *never* up to date, and every time there was something missing off it someone at CCP had to spend time to update it.
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This isn't BS, this is my professional view as someone who works with software every day. CCP did the right thing in retiring a couple of horrible old legacy applications that were so far past their sell-by date they qualified for a senior's discount at IHOP.

Yeah, the feeling is mutual. I normally have respect for you too but .........................

If those applications were indeed client side then I should be able to access them without using CCP's server. Now I agree there was a setting in the client that allowed players to load their own music into the Jukebox but that was just a client side playlist for an application that could only be accessed in the game on CCP's server.

Same as the IGB, an application that could only be accessed in the game on CCP's server. Both of those applications had to 'Talk' to the server whenever the client activated them.

As for the Evelopedia, you are way off base on that. After Evelopedia was activated, Dev's spent very little time with it. The task to keep it updated went to ISD and then later to the playerbase. The main 'out of date' aspect of Evelopedia was the in-game Item Data Base which never got updated because CCP locked those pages and just didn't care about it, just like every other content they've placed within the game. In fact, quite a few of us players had a conversation with CCP here in the forums to get the Epic Arc page unlocked so we could edit and add info to it that CCP forgot to include. The same goes for other pages as well.

Obviously everything is tied in with CCP's server in one way or another, even these forums are tied in with it even though it's a web page on the internet. Why do you think there's no more mega threads allowed on the forums ?
Definitely isn't due to 5 different Dev teams having to spend time updating the forums.


DMC
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#38 - 2017-04-05 05:43:02 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
You COULD get a second monitor, window eve, and not even have to bother alt tabbing.


So not only are multiple accounts often advised by others, but also multiple monitors just so you can figure out the game from outside the game. Well, thats great.Roll
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2017-04-05 06:48:01 UTC
Jax Bederen wrote:
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
You COULD get a second monitor, window eve, and not even have to bother alt tabbing.


So not only are multiple accounts often advised by others, but also multiple monitors just so you can figure out the game from outside the game. Well, thats great.Roll


Well tbh. if the OP was not too much of a diva to ALT-TAB, he would never have gotten that reply. So he already has a solution, which is he same you get in most other games, but somehow feels entitled to something that the Developers don't want to sustain (Which is their right). Plus there are plenty of overlays available as people have already pointed out. So no need to have two monitors to figure out the game, it works just fine without. So nice try.....

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2017-04-05 13:03:31 UTC
Jax Bederen wrote:
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
You COULD get a second monitor, window eve, and not even have to bother alt tabbing.


So not only are multiple accounts often advised by others, but also multiple monitors just so you can figure out the game from outside the game. Well, thats great.Roll


You can alt+tab if you are not a baby like OP.