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[May] CONCORD Aerospace Promotional Ships

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Alia Nadasdy
Imperial's Capsulers
#81 - 2017-04-04 14:20:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Alia Nadasdy
MidnightWyvern wrote:

I'm not opposed to asymmetrical designs, but the CONCORD Cruiser and Frigate looked like they were made just for the purpose of looking ridiculous. I'm not sure why designs that look impossible to believe are somehow "more creative" and "more authentic".


The design is terrible.
Again a blue color like Mordu's Legion and Upwell.

The design does not fit, it's too simple. Homeworld

It was already, it's too monotonous.
Wing up, wing to the right, wing to left.

I do not know what is there to admire the. Sad

"Aerospace" - The name that does not fit into the CONCORD organization.
CONCORD has subdivisions:

CAD - Commerce Assessment Department (CAD) oversees interstellar trade agreements and regulations.
DED - Directive Enforcement Department (DED) is the police enforcement arm of CONCORD. DED has the responsibility of tracking down known criminals and attacking criminal facilities. They frequently operate outside empire space, wanting criminals to understand that there is nowhere safe from the long arm of the law.
SCC - Secure Commerce Commission (SCC) is responsible for regulating and monitoring all trade transactions that take place on space stations. It acts under strict codes of neutrality. These codes ensure the SCC keeps all dealings secure and secret, so there is no chance for government interference.

I do not understand CCP

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"We are a shadow of the former greatness of the Empire"

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Cade Windstalker
#82 - 2017-04-04 14:23:08 UTC
Alia Nadasdy wrote:
Ships of the CONCORD of the normal person : Great job designer.
Ships of the CONCORD of a sick person: Disgusting design in the style of Cylons
Cylons

Question.
Why do ships have wings ? A maneuvering thrusters is not ? Why wings in space ? Roll


Wings on a spaceship actually make a fair amount of sense. They just don't work the same way, they're a relatively long and low-mass way to put a maneuvering thruster far from the center of mass of the hull, which lets you turn the main body and thus the main thrusters more effectively.

Also it's possible that a Concord hull may actually be designed with a certain amount of atmospheric flight in mind, since they're a police force and may be expected to pursue ships into a planet's atmosphere.
Zircon Dasher
#83 - 2017-04-04 14:25:53 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

The security status rep bonus is indeed something quite odd, but it fits wonderfully with a promo ship released by CONCORD. The trick we're using here also gives us the ability to make ships that receive bonuses for having low security status in the future, which may fit well for some kind of pirate ships someday.


Since it is now clear that gimmick mechanics are here to stay.... are NPC standings going to start boosting faction ships next year or the year after?

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Stridsflygplan
Krypted Gaming
#84 - 2017-04-04 14:42:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Stridsflygplan
Generaly I feel the resist are a bit low for T2 resist. But fine omni resists is pretty nice trade off

PACIFIER: using it with a probe launcher and cloak cripples the dps to much. Needs to have another high slot or have 2 hard points with a bigger damage bonus.

ENFORCER: The damage is like a stabber without a drone bay and stabber is alteast a big frigate. You end up being a half assed love child of arazu and rapier. But both those ships are faster, have better e-war bonuses and more damage with the dronebays. its really hard to utilze all the e-war bonuses on the ship, you are forced into armor tanking and the speed and damage of this ship suffer even more from that. its so generalist that maybe this is what T3 should have been P

MARSHAL: Looks fine, being a battleship doesn’t suffer as much from the low speed the ship line has, the plenty of slots and fitting really starts working now. You can shield tank it and still use the e-war bonuses etc. damage is still a bit shy but the environment you are going to use it in and e-war makes up for that by now. Battleship without a drone bay is pretty unique at least :)

Would it really hurt them to have a CPU reduction for expanded probe launchers? I feel like finding people wherever they are is something concord ships are good at. It would fit the flavor.
Aleverette
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#85 - 2017-04-04 15:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Aleverette
CCP Fozzie wrote:
But it fits wonderfully with a promo ship released by CONCORD. The trick we're using here also gives us the ability to make ships that receive bonuses for having low security status in the future, which may fit well for some kind of pirate ships someday.


Can you make bonus only apply when the ship is in high/low/null/wormhole space respectively?

For example: "Very powerful ships when they are being used in high/low sec" sounds quite Concordy.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#86 - 2017-04-04 17:54:44 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:


The security status rep bonus is indeed something quite odd, but it fits wonderfully with a promo ship released by CONCORD. The trick we're using here also gives us the ability to make ships that receive bonuses for having low security status in the future, which may fit well for some kind of pirate ships someday.



This is the best part. I hope I don't have to wait a decade for this...

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
Jayai Syndicate
#87 - 2017-04-04 19:08:42 UTC
eh, hull characteristics changing depending on your sec-status is not the best of ideas imo.
MidnightWyvern
The Bosena Accords
#88 - 2017-04-04 19:42:04 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
eh, hull characteristics changing depending on your sec-status is not the best of ideas imo.

If you think about it, it makes sense. Without that restriction, the ship could theoretically be quite useful to law-breakers.

However, with what I assume is going to be explained as a black-box function CONCORD put into those to keep them out of unlawful hands, the ships can only be used in most cases for ratting or hunting down criminals.

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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#89 - 2017-04-04 20:20:28 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

The security status rep bonus is indeed something quite odd, but it fits wonderfully with a promo ship released by CONCORD. The trick we're using here also gives us the ability to make ships that receive bonuses for having low security status in the future, which may fit well for some kind of pirate ships someday.



Bonus like that are already problematic IMO. At what point do you balance the relative power of the unit? It's maximum potential? Then it underpowered if you don't min-max your sec staus. Balanced by minimal potential? Then it's broken when in the hand of someone who does min-max it.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#90 - 2017-04-04 20:23:20 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

The security status rep bonus is indeed something quite odd, but it fits wonderfully with a promo ship released by CONCORD. The trick we're using here also gives us the ability to make ships that receive bonuses for having low security status in the future, which may fit well for some kind of pirate ships someday.



Bonus like that are already problematic IMO. At what point do you balance the relative power of the unit? It's maximum potential? Then it underpowered if you don't min-max your sec staus. Balanced by minimal potential? Then it's broken when in the hand of someone who does min-max it.


This bonus is tailor made for ships that we're perfectly fine with balancing to be slightly underpowered but very cool and thematically resonant. Since these are promo ships and not part of the ordinary ship rotation that sort of balance fits well.

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Miss Management
#91 - 2017-04-04 20:46:08 UTC
Pay to Play sucks ...

So if I buy a Real Life Ticket I get some nice ships ....

Please check you Eula
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2017-04-05 03:27:15 UTC
I don't particularly like the new design but I hate the old design. Color is odd.
Shape is kinda cheesy. It's a big T that's all. But it's "less bad" than the old one? They should really go back to the drawing board.

Hope this means the soct will get redesigned too cause they're the worst offenders for just being ugly ships.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2017-04-05 03:35:35 UTC
Wait so you can't get them in game? You have to pay thousands of dollars to go to Iceland lol no thankyou. If they're not obtainable by everyone through the game then I have no interest in them at all.
MidnightWyvern
The Bosena Accords
#94 - 2017-04-05 04:06:06 UTC
Miss Management wrote:
Pay to Play sucks ...

So if I buy a Real Life Ticket I get some nice ships ....

Please check you Eula

Oh come off it. Those things are gimmick ships and you know it. CCP Fozzie even confirmed that was the intent!

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Blavish
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#95 - 2017-04-05 08:16:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Blavish
Please post picture of Battleship

Frig and cruiser would be nice having some more slots

I'm loving the salt about sec status. Buy those clone soldier tags. Buy em all!
Wyper insane
Literally The Worst Community
#96 - 2017-04-05 11:12:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyper insane
Trespasser wrote:
so assuming this isn't an april fools troll post, then what is the jump range of the battleship?

If it gets a 75% reduction and can fit the portal gen, then it must have a jump drive... so what is its base range?


A black ops without a jump drive would be really weird lol, except if you can covops it but hey...

Djorum wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

  • Pilots with high security status will gain an extra bonus to armor repairer and shield booster effectiveness


  • Pretty crappy mechanic. Unless you enjoy getting punished for using your ship, will be restricted to null sec.


    Doesn't matter to me if they add the negative bonus that goes with it on pirate hulls

    Aleverette wrote:
    Plus, what about players with sec status higher than 5.0?

    There are a few 10.0 ancient prophets left among us.
    100% boost/repair bonus, wow.


    You clearly need to read again. :)
    Aleverette
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #97 - 2017-04-05 14:25:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Aleverette
    Wyper insane wrote:
    Aleverette wrote:
    Plus, what about players with sec status higher than 5.0?

    There are a few 10.0 ancient prophets left among us.
    100% boost/repair bonus, wow.


    You clearly need to read again. :)


    I asked so because I am not sure where does the "ceiling" exactly comes from: Is it comes from the 5.0 maximum sec status for most players? Or this is a fixed 50% bonus to players who are at 5.0 or above?

    After all, eve is a game full of "ancient wonders" or "a-decade-ago mess", just to make sure nothing goes out of control.
    Zircon Dasher
    #98 - 2017-04-05 15:09:32 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:

    This bonus is tailor made for ships that we're perfectly fine with balancing to be slightly underpowered but very cool and thematically resonant. Since these are promo ships and not part of the ordinary ship rotation that sort of balance fits well.


    I assume you mean its slightly underpowered even when min-maxed? Your response isn't very precise/clear in how it addresses his comment. If you came here to get initial balancing feedback, being clear about the general boundaries is probably a good idea, no? For example are you insinuating that the tanking power of these cyno lighting tackle boats should be underpowered even at max NPC standings?

    Also, you see that the second sentence begins to ring hollow given that you already are talking about expanding the range of ships which get this mechanic (and only a couple days in)?

    Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

    Jimy F
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #99 - 2017-04-05 15:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jimy F
    i wish to ask ccp for adding to cruiser probe scanging bonus 10%/lvl, or maybe to BS to

    becouse you some how manage to do from concord ships, covert ops ships, and since odyssay expansion there is limit to only one ship with limit to only one weapon system, dornes, with scaning bonus that can do hi sec combat explorations sites wich is stratos, witch is not entartaining with that big limits, there is genos but it can not acces large number of sites, and is much slower, and t3 desis have not much dps and tank, also buff damage at least 10% or 15% per level, staratos have damage bonus, tank bonus, scaning bonus, cover cloak, and can get even 800dps so i think it is ok. and probe scan bonus in not big deal i think in age of alts and multiple accounts
    and you can drop at least one or two secends on aligh time on max skills

    also consider change tracking bonus for hybrid to range bonus, players wich use hybrids may be little upset becouse of this, all other get range bonus

    it is possible that frigate get 10% per lvl web range bonus? and maybe 7,5% damage? bulzard and helios still will be better probers, becouse one more med slot and astero still be equal or better becosue have full dps power option becouse drones don't need hi slots to get damage, with fited cloak and proble launcher, wich that frigat can't do

    also i think this rep boost bonus from security status is not very good, people wich are pirates may be upset that they can't use this ships with all potential, becouse ss, is very wierd at least for me, that ss have impact for efficency of ship specs, and it is not fair to limit of using ships by these
    Merkal Aubauch
    T H E R A P Y
    #100 - 2017-04-05 15:53:13 UTC
    My main concer is that some of the players will never be able to attend EVE Vegas due to visa issues. How would you balance it out? ;)