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"Alpha Clone" is not "Budget Player"
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Il'Rik Rik'Kha
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2017-04-02 09:23:43 UTC
I have some toons that are Alpha Clones, and I'm not interested to convert them to Omega.
The issue is - as the title can suggest - that I have some $$$ to use but... There is nothing to buy.
Yes, correct, the garment for the characters, and the skins for the ships.
But seriously? I mean: they are useless, nothing more that something fancy.
I've seen the "Content Packs": nice.
But why the "Explorer" pack is only for Caldari, the Industrialist for Amarr and so on?
In my humble/arrogant opinion those packs are a clever idea: make them empire-agnostic, and add also other - new - packs.
In short: give me something to buy.

Bye bye!
Marcus Heth
#2 - 2017-04-02 09:26:09 UTC
The content packs were introduced because Steam likes to sell "DLC", and in the usual half arsed CCP way it never really got fleshed out or thought about properly.

One step forward, two steps back.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#3 - 2017-04-02 09:41:59 UTC
People buy PLEX and sell it on market to gain ISK for ships they can bling out and use in fights. These people have money and dont have time to grind ISK. But they want fights.

The rest is just an additional fancy stuff to bling out even more, characters and ships visuals.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2017-04-02 09:52:34 UTC
(@_ಠ)
What kind of pesantry is this?

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Zirashi
Cyclical Destruction
#5 - 2017-04-02 11:31:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Zirashi
Marcus Heth wrote:
The content packs were introduced because Steam likes to sell "DLC", and in the usual half arsed CCP way it never really got fleshed out or thought about properly.

One step forward, two steps back.

Yeah, shame on CCP for choosing to include all of the game's expansions free with subscription.

And how dare they refuse to allow direct cash ship purchases that would destroy their lauded ingame economy.

Lastly, SKINs are exactly the same as the cosmetic DLC found in other games, except here you can also buy it from other players with ingame money made from playing. Or in some cases gather them as loot drops.

"Two steps back," he says. LOL.
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#6 - 2017-04-02 11:38:23 UTC
Il'Rik Rik'Kha wrote:
I have some toons that are Alpha Clones, and I'm not interested to convert them to Omega.
The issue is - as the title can suggest - that I have some $$$ to use but... There is nothing to buy.
Yes, correct, the garment for the characters, and the skins for the ships.
But seriously? I mean: they are useless, nothing more that something fancy.
I've seen the "Content Packs": nice.
But why the "Explorer" pack is only for Caldari, the Industrialist for Amarr and so on?
In my humble/arrogant opinion those packs are a clever idea: make them empire-agnostic, and add also other - new - packs.
In short: give me something to buy.

Bye bye!


What sort of things would you like to buy?

The content packs you mention are pretty much worthless because everything in them can be gained in game in about 5 minutes.

Eve really doesn't need content packs, when it has "PLEX" to "ISK" to "buy anything you want from other players from the market"

If you want to spend some money....buy some PLEX from CCP and use the isk to buy shiney stuff from the market.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Olmeca Gold
The Free Folk
#7 - 2017-04-02 11:45:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Olmeca Gold
Zirashi wrote:
Marcus Heth wrote:
The content packs were introduced because Steam likes to sell "DLC", and in the usual half arsed CCP way it never really got fleshed out or thought about properly.

One step forward, two steps back.

Yeah, shame on CCP for choosing to include all of the game's expansions free with subscription.

And how dare they refuse to allow direct cash ship purchases that would destroy their lauded ingame economy in the process.

Lastly, SKINs are exactly the same as the cosmetic DLC found in other games, except here you can also buy it with ingame money made from playing.

"Two steps back," he says. LOL.


Ships for cash is cool. Content packs are bad with respect to the ISK you could have by buying PLEX instead.

A proper way of doing this could have been isolating niche fun ways of playing and selling packs like that, giving newbros incentive to go do some research. A newbro doesn't know that he doesn't know Stratios wh diving is a fun way to play Eve. Offer him a "Stratios WH Diver" content pack and now he knows what he didn't know, does some further research on youtube and he is good to go. What does the pack include? A properly fit Stratios for the exact purpose, all the skills (books and SP) automatically leveled for a core Stratios WH Diver (drones 5, amarr gallente cruiser 4 or 5 etc) and a few skins to have fun with. Have the price meaningfully lower than the total ISK value of the items, and you're good to go.

" Fleet Stealth Bomber "
" Solo Sin Hotdropper "
" Tornado Gatecamper "
" Sabre Nullsec Fleet "
" Crow Small Fleet Tackler "
" Navy Slicer FW Fighter "
" VNI Nullsec Ratter "
" Rattlesnake C3 Completer "

Not only you have meaningful content packs that are financially making sense to purchase, but also you make newbros aware of what they don't know and push them to research more.

Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.

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Il'Rik Rik'Kha
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2017-04-02 11:52:24 UTC
Quote:
Ships for cash is cool. Content packs are bad with respect to the ISK you could have by buying PLEX instead.

A proper way of doing this could have been isolating niche fun ways of playing and selling packs like that, giving newbros incentive to go do some research. A newbro doesn't know that he doesn't know Stratios wh diving is a fun way to play Eve. Offer him a "Stratios WH Diver" content pack and now he knows what he didn't know, does some further research on youtube and he is good to go. What does the pack include? A properly fit Stratios for the exact purpose, all the skills (books and SP) automatically leveled for a core Stratios WH Diver (drones 5, amarr gallente cruiser 4 or 5 etc) and a few skins to have fun with. Have the price meaningfully lower than the total ISK value of the items, and you're good to go.

" Fleet Stealth Bomber "
" Solo Sin Hotdropper "
" Tornado Gatecamper "
" Sabre Nullsec Fleet "
" Crow Small Fleet Tackler "
" Navy Slicer FW Fighter "
" VNI Nullsec Ratter "
" Rattlesnake C3 Completer "

Not only you have meaningful content packs that are financially making sense to purchase, but also you make newbros aware of what they don't know and push them to research more.


This!
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#9 - 2017-04-02 12:09:47 UTC
Il'Rik Rik'Kha wrote:
Quote:
Ships for cash is cool. Content packs are bad with respect to the ISK you could have by buying PLEX instead.

A proper way of doing this could have been isolating niche fun ways of playing and selling packs like that, giving newbros incentive to go do some research. A newbro doesn't know that he doesn't know Stratios wh diving is a fun way to play Eve. Offer him a "Stratios WH Diver" content pack and now he knows what he didn't know, does some further research on youtube and he is good to go. What does the pack include? A properly fit Stratios for the exact purpose, all the skills (books and SP) automatically leveled for a core Stratios WH Diver (drones 5, amarr gallente cruiser 4 or 5 etc) and a few skins to have fun with. Have the price meaningfully lower than the total ISK value of the items, and you're good to go.

" Fleet Stealth Bomber "
" Solo Sin Hotdropper "
" Tornado Gatecamper "
" Sabre Nullsec Fleet "
" Crow Small Fleet Tackler "
" Navy Slicer FW Fighter "
" VNI Nullsec Ratter "
" Rattlesnake C3 Completer "

Not only you have meaningful content packs that are financially making sense to purchase, but also you make newbros aware of what they don't know and push them to research more.


This!

You already have that.

Its called buy PLEX from CCP and sell it to other players for isk. Then you buy all the stuff from the market. If you don't know what to buy, there are lots of information sources out there.

If you want to bypass the market and buy ships directly from CCP you break the game. Mining, Industry would become worthless. Missioning and exploration also if you can buy a Rattlesnake (or other Faction items) direct from CCP.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Zirashi
Cyclical Destruction
#10 - 2017-04-02 12:21:53 UTC
Olmeca Gold wrote:
Zirashi wrote:


I don't mean to be nasty, but did you even think that through? Think about what instantly generating faction or T2 battleships from nothing and instant millions of SP would do to the game and its economy.

Then there's the idea that all newbros need is a youtube video and a credit card and they're all set for flying a Sin solo.

C'mon man, why u trolling.
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2017-04-02 13:02:41 UTC
Olmeca Gold wrote:
Zirashi wrote:
Marcus Heth wrote:
The content packs were introduced because Steam likes to sell "DLC", and in the usual half arsed CCP way it never really got fleshed out or thought about properly.

One step forward, two steps back.

Yeah, shame on CCP for choosing to include all of the game's expansions free with subscription.

And how dare they refuse to allow direct cash ship purchases that would destroy their lauded ingame economy in the process.

Lastly, SKINs are exactly the same as the cosmetic DLC found in other games, except here you can also buy it with ingame money made from playing.

"Two steps back," he says. LOL.


Ships for cash is cool. Content packs are bad with respect to the ISK you could have by buying PLEX instead.

A proper way of doing this could have been isolating niche fun ways of playing and selling packs like that, giving newbros incentive to go do some research. A newbro doesn't know that he doesn't know Stratios wh diving is a fun way to play Eve. Offer him a "Stratios WH Diver" content pack and now he knows what he didn't know, does some further research on youtube and he is good to go. What does the pack include? A properly fit Stratios for the exact purpose, all the skills (books and SP) automatically leveled for a core Stratios WH Diver (drones 5, amarr gallente cruiser 4 or 5 etc) and a few skins to have fun with. Have the price meaningfully lower than the total ISK value of the items, and you're good to go.

" Fleet Stealth Bomber "
" Solo Sin Hotdropper "
" Tornado Gatecamper "
" Sabre Nullsec Fleet "
" Crow Small Fleet Tackler "
" Navy Slicer FW Fighter "
" VNI Nullsec Ratter "
" Rattlesnake C3 Completer "

Not only you have meaningful content packs that are financially making sense to purchase, but also you make newbros aware of what they don't know and push them to research more.


This is possibly the worst idea I have ever seen.
It would also completely destroy the game economy.
So long as these packs are a "good value" in respect to the isk vs just buying a plex. Then people will just buy these packs instead of a plex. Sell the magically spawned in ships. And extract and sell the SP.
This would crash the market for those ships. Crash the SP market. As well as drive up the price of plex until before long they are no different than the existing packs in regards to value. So now you are right back where we are now. With plex being your best option. Only you have also completely destroyed the market for 10+ ships.

Also the list you have given is only some of the more popular meta ships right now. What happens in a year when the fotm changes? Do you just put out more content packs for the new ships and crash those markets too?

Wtb titan content pack 50 dollars!!!
Olmeca Gold
The Free Folk
#12 - 2017-04-02 13:11:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Olmeca Gold
If we are talking content packs, these would be the kind that would make sense. Not the T1 explorer bullshit.

How do you neutralize their economic effects? Well, maybe for each content pack that is sold CCP bots sell PLEX to Jita market and buy the materials/SP books/apparel from the Jita market. It is almost as if the player bought the plex for USD, then sold it to the market, then bought the ships and the SP, minus the middle steps. Pricing could be dinamic with respect to PLEX/material values. Maybe CCP bots buying and selling stuff or doing it at favored stations is problematic, but I don't think these packs will be sold to have a huge impact on the market anyway. It is not as if you have a reason to buy them again and again. Buying content packs to sell the rewards on market won't make financial sense either, thus it won't lead to a market crash, because you get direct skill upgrades and you will need extractors to extract them, costing money in-between. And the SP will probably be the most expensive item within these packs.

I think most of the resistance to this idea can be reduced to status quo bias. If you want Eve to have content packs, this is the best way to go, and economics of it can be solved with half of the energy people will spend to resist and **** on the idea.

Also yeah, from my own experience, I was ready to attempt solo Sin way before I can actually fly a Sin. The pack just bridges that gap. Then again the Sin might be problematic as it requires multiboxing. But everything else is not.

Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.

Youtube channel.
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2017-04-02 13:28:07 UTC
Il'Rik Rik'Kha wrote:
I have some toons that are Alpha Clones, and I'm not interested to convert them to Omega.

100 million ISK of mine says that you'll be Omega in 3 months tops (if you are still playing by that time).

Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#14 - 2017-04-02 13:32:54 UTC
lol

@lunettelulu7
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2017-04-02 13:37:42 UTC
Olmeca Gold wrote:
If we are talking content packs, these would be the kind that would make sense. Not the T1 explorer bullshit.

How do you neutralize their economic effects? Well, maybe for each content pack that is sold CCP bots sell PLEX to Jita market and buy the materials/SP books/apparel from the Jita market. It is almost as if the player bought the plex for USD, then sold it to the market, then bought the ships and the SP, minus the middle steps. Pricing could be dinamic with respect to PLEX/material values. Maybe CCP bots buying and selling stuff or doing it at favored stations is problematic, but I don't think these packs will be sold to have a huge impact on the market anyway. It is not as if you have a reason to buy them again and again. Buying content packs to sell the rewards on market won't make financial sense either, thus it won't lead to a market crash, because you get direct skill upgrades and you will need extractors to extract them, costing money in-between. And the SP will probably be the most expensive item within these packs.

I think most of the resistance to this idea can be reduced to status quo bias. If you want Eve to have content packs, this is the best way to go, and economics of it can be solved with half of the energy people will spend to resist and **** on the idea.

Also yeah, from my own experience, I was ready to attempt solo Sin way before I can actually fly a Sin. The pack just bridges that gap. Then again the Sin might be problematic as it requires multiboxing. But everything else is not.


so on top of ccp magicking a ship from thin air, you also want them to magic isk from thin air as well? at that point why even bother having a player economy? lets just have all ships and modules be seeded on the market, and the only way to get t2 or faction ships is to buy them from the cash store. because that would actually be a more sustainable model than what you are suggesting.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2017-04-02 13:45:09 UTC
Il'Rik Rik'Kha wrote:


This!

Itt "**** me , **** me rough"

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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#17 - 2017-04-02 14:36:21 UTC
Zirashi wrote:
Then there's the idea that all newbros need is a youtube video and a credit card and they're all set for flying a Sin solo.

They'd also lose it 5 minutes after undocking ;)

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Olmeca Gold
The Free Folk
#18 - 2017-04-02 14:36:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Olmeca Gold
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Olmeca Gold wrote:
If we are talking content packs, these would be the kind that would make sense. Not the T1 explorer bullshit.

How do you neutralize their economic effects? Well, maybe for each content pack that is sold CCP bots sell PLEX to Jita market and buy the materials/SP books/apparel from the Jita market. It is almost as if the player bought the plex for USD, then sold it to the market, then bought the ships and the SP, minus the middle steps. Pricing could be dinamic with respect to PLEX/material values. Maybe CCP bots buying and selling stuff or doing it at favored stations is problematic, but I don't think these packs will be sold to have a huge impact on the market anyway. It is not as if you have a reason to buy them again and again. Buying content packs to sell the rewards on market won't make financial sense either, thus it won't lead to a market crash, because you get direct skill upgrades and you will need extractors to extract them, costing money in-between. And the SP will probably be the most expensive item within these packs.

I think most of the resistance to this idea can be reduced to status quo bias. If you want Eve to have content packs, this is the best way to go, and economics of it can be solved with half of the energy people will spend to resist and **** on the idea.

Also yeah, from my own experience, I was ready to attempt solo Sin way before I can actually fly a Sin. The pack just bridges that gap. Then again the Sin might be problematic as it requires multiboxing. But everything else is not.


so on top of ccp magicking a ship from thin air, you also want them to magic isk from thin air as well? at that point why even bother having a player economy? lets just have all ships and modules be seeded on the market, and the only way to get t2 or faction ships is to buy them from the cash store. because that would actually be a more sustainable model than what you are suggesting.


I don't see how you think my suggestions lead to ISK injection while quoting my post. Are you sure you have read it? The process I described is an exact replica of the player driven process (new player buys PLEX for dollar, sells PLEX for ISK, buys SP/Ship/Skin), except cutting new player's time in figuring out what is a good ship and what he can do with it. Instead of player doing all the buy/sell beginning from PLEX, CCP does it for him until he gets the particular ship/SP via market bots.

It doesn't even have to be a 'market bot'. It can be a "buy all" button plus some automation in applying skills and fitting ships really. With one button you instantly buy a calculated amount of PLEX from CCP, sell it to Jita buy orders, buy ship/SP from Jita sell orders, fit/apply the skills/ship and you are good to go. The USD price can vary system by system, and it's OK if it is unavailable when the stuff is unavailable on the market as well.

I don't necessarily say content packs are good for Eve, but I say this is how you can do it without half assing it.

Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.

Youtube channel.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#19 - 2017-04-02 14:47:25 UTC
Ships for cash?

Biomass and take yourself back to whatever crap game you came from.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2017-04-02 15:26:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Soel Reit
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ships for cash?

Biomass and take yourself back to whatever crap game you came from.


he is from bombers bar Lol
he made drama etcLol


what did you expect? Lol
stupid people have always stupid ideas Lol
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