EVE General Discussion

So, you're not a "true" EvE player then? Your words, not mine!

Sansha,

Pedro first mentioned the true EVE player. I was talking to him, and echoing his comment. Ask him the definition of a true EVE player.

It was mentioned to me to hone my forum skills, then I would be a true EVE player. As I mentioned, the majority of EVE players don't mess with the forums. So then is it being said that they are not true EVE players?

I agree Jacques, I am not a true EVE player. Are you implying that everyone, including yourself, on the forums are true EVE players? I don't take this game seriously, I don't take these forums seriously.

Much information can be found on these forums, and for threads like this, not so much. Idle chatter, sarcastic remarks, and oratories from bully pulpits, is what is found most.

What was the original question? Oh, ya, "If CODE owns highsec". I think they can own a few helpless miners, but other than that it's a wanna be.

Sorry, but I'm not into chicks with dicks and don't forget you're the dude with the sore butt, not me.

But thank you for proving my point about you posting butthurt drivel.

Thank you, Doris for clearing up that misunderstanding about my character's name. It was the fact that you did it twice which made me suppose it was intentional. I was mistaken.

Know that CCP has given all players - including miners - the means to defend their operations. The means may cause them some inconvenience (mining in fleets, with ECM and DPS support, sacrificing yield for tank, etc.), but they do exist. A miner who is defenceless has chosen to be so.

The New Order of Highsec 'governs' rather than 'owns' the region. 'Controls' would be a better word but for the tendency of detractors to assume that we must be everywhere at once and prevent every single violation of our Code. As James 315 has pointed out, 'This is a misperception of (our) role'. He continues, 'If I feel like stopping you from mining, I will; if not, I won't'.

Essentially, this is the basis of our claim that we command the miners (and others) with whom we interact. It doesn't mean that the miners have no recourse to effective defence, only that because of their narrow-mindedness, stubbornness, and ignorance, our ability to act in this way is not impaired let alone negated.

As to finding a deterrent. The New Order of Highsec has been around since June 2012. That's almost 5 years of creating content in Highsec and generally giving folks a reason to log in (or rage-quit, of course). It's all good. Our community (for such it is) would greatly welcome being given a run for our money; a worthy opponent, an effective opposition. But the carebears won't get off their backsides and do it. Highsec could be even more lively!

It's been a long day, and this Agent is almost ready for slumber. May his dreams be pleasant - and may they be replete with Highsec conquests and 100% Code-compliance. G'night All!

o7

I stopped mining some time ago. My alt does the industrial things, I look after the 'bears.

After someone has been ganked by your little cult, I send them an evemail offering to help with fitting and such. Some respond, some don't. Like I said, we work behind the scenes. It doesn't matter that you haven't heard of the Rangers, what matters is that we are undermining CODE. one player at a time.

Don't you mean supporting them? You've seen their manifesto, right?

How is helping miners fit better supporting them? CODE usually goes after the most badly fit ships. By helping miners fit better and thus be able to defend themselves, we put them in a position to mine as much as they like, whenever they like, without being vulnerable to extortion. Every cubic metre of ore mined in hisec without a permit is a slap in the face to James 315.

Besides, some miners who try out my fits become brave enough to eventually try lowsec mining anyway. The point is, a CODE-free miner is a happy miner. If you want help avoiding paying CODE for a 'permit' that they will revoke at the slightest pretext, hit me up and I'll gladly show you what to do.

Because the New Order's manifesto is to rid HiSec of "bot aspirant" behaviour. In case you don't know, a bot aspirant is someone who wishes to automate their game as much as possible in the pursuit of profit. Poorly fit ships are a symptom of players that can't be bothered to research the task at hand or want a yield fit to make as much as possible while ignoring every other aspect of the game.

CODE's objective is to destroy this approach to the game. One part of their approach is good ol' fashioned violence while another is giving advice on what you can do to not be killed, including decent ship fits. You are literally doing exactly what they want you to do. This is a good thing, for them, for you (because you seem to enjoy yourself), the players you help with good fitting advice and for the game due to the conflict that your different approaches creates.


I'll let you in on a widely known secret: Permits have no impact on your survival. If you're playing in such a way that it's possible to kill you, that's a legitimate reason to revoke your permit and kill you. If they can't kill you (and you've got a permit), your permit remains valid because you're doing what they want you to do: Be unkillable.

Either way, a permit has no impact on the outcome.

Rubbish. If all you wanted was to hunt bots and make miners fit properly, why all the fuss about buying a permit? Don't give me that "misperception of our role" horsepuckey, that's just a bunch of weasel words intended to hide the fact that you can't bully a well-defended mining ship into giving you isk and you d-mned well know it. If a previously badly fitted barge were to suddenly sport a Rangers anti-gank fit, would you even bother checking if the barge was piloted by a bot? I don't bloody think so! You'd just sail your destroyer right on by and look for someone weaker to pick on.



Thank you for finally admitting that your 'permits' are just thinly-veiled extortion. It's what so many of us have been saying all along: you are just a gang of bullies dressed up in cultists' robes and you add absolutely nothing of value to EVE. The EVE universe would be better off without you, and that is exactly what I am working towards.

I never mentioned bots.


Role play borne from their necessity in the very early days of the New Order (before CODE. was even a thing). Players couldn't simply bump miners out of belts, that wasn't considered legit game play. So James 315 came up with the idea of selling permits to keep players safe from bumping. As this was considered a monetary reward (even for a measly 10mil ISK), it was given the green light.

Despite ganking being a much more effective deterrent to bot aspirant behaviour, the permit exists to facilitate role play and generate laughs from other pilots getting bent out of shape over a lousy 10mil ISK.


Why kill a well defended ship when there's usually an AFK/blingy/untanked ship in the next belt?


You say that like it's a bad thing. It extorts the weak. Those with ranger fits (aka competent pilots) won't have anything to worry about.

Oh look, now we have a skill index. Good pilots get to make money in almost complete safety while bad pilots paint a target on their hull. You're helping turn bad pilots into good pilots.

What exactly is bad about this? Why is giving more players more to do a bad thing? Why is it worse than no skill index where everyone sits in belts all day, never interacting with each other, mindlessly hoovering up space rocks, indistinguishable from actual bots and making for a dull, repetitive experience that does more to drive players away from the game than to entice them in?

Serious question.