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Gurista Drones

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Villinde
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-03-27 19:32:31 UTC
So I've been flying an Ishtar for level 4 mission running for awhile and decided to move to a rattlesnake because I enjoy bigger ships. When flying the Ishtar I would use Sentry drones to pull enemy aggro, and when they started to take damage I would pull them in, wait a few seconds, and send out the heavies or lights depending on what needed killing. NPC aggro usually stayed on my after that, with a few exceptions but at worst I'd pull them in one more time and that would be that. Then I switched to the Rattlesnake.... No matter what I do, NPCs switch to my drones INSTANTLY. I send them out, all the NPCs instantly go silent for a second, then all weapons on drones. Feels pointless to even fly the Rattlesnake and I feel like I wasted all the ISK I spent on it. This happens when I try flying the Gila, and the Worm too. Anyone know why they hate the drones on Gurista pirate ships, but leave my drones alone when I'm flying Gallente ships?
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#2 - 2017-03-28 06:08:30 UTC
how much dps is your ship hull doing?

the only thing I can think is that the drones from gurista ships do so much individual damage they are pulling aggro, last time I flew a rattler I had a full rack of cruise or RHMLs on it and I don't remember the drones getting too much aggro. Also the drones have such a nice HP bonus drone tanking isn't really too bad a thing.

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Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#3 - 2017-03-28 08:03:54 UTC
Pretty sure the same thing comes up fairly often. NPC drone agro is a mysterious thing, some times they have a hard on for drones, some times not.

I have used a Snake for several LS DEDs and I cant say agro was too much of an issue.
Gila drones only take agro from Small/medium ships but they are easily killed before its too much of an issue (I try and only agro a few at a time in bigger sites like a 6/10).
Worm is a non issue, only elites (or non aggroed NPCs) ever even look at its drones and with rockets and 220 DPS in drones they don't last long.

That being said I always use missiles along with the drone so that helps keep agro and in most case I focus the Missiles on NPCs that tend to aggro drones to remove that hassle.
Alasdan Helminthauge
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2017-03-28 08:37:25 UTC
you can try to put a target painter on your snake. EWAR often draws npc aggro.
Zarek Kree
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#5 - 2017-03-28 14:40:32 UTC
I'll echo Andrew Indy - nobody truly understands drone aggro. It can be fine one day and not the next. Did you test the Rattlesnake over multiple days? The Snake was my first true ship love, so I've flown it a lot in every kind of space and I've never noticed any particular issue with drone aggro that was specific to the ship.

Of course I use a Gecko almost exclusively and it can soak up a lot of aggro before I have to pull it (and then I swap it for a spare Gecko). I almost never put any other drones out. Though I've also been playing with a Gila a lot lately with Vespas and Hammerheads and haven't seen an issue there either.

I'd try a range of drone types over multiple days. My bet is the excessive aggro will mysteriously disappear.
Zarek Kree
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#6 - 2017-03-28 14:59:24 UTC
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
you can try to put a target painter on your snake. EWAR often draws npc aggro.


There's strong evidence that EWAR as a means to keep aggro off of drones once worked, but it seems to have been nerfed in a patch sometime around late 2014. Some people still think it helps but the evidence isn't clear on that point given the random nature of current drone aggro.
Villinde
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2017-03-29 02:29:42 UTC
Thanks for the replies, after some testing it's only the medium ships that were pulling aggro immediately, the small ships would take awhile and the large ships didn't care about the drones. I just had a few rat groups in a row that were all TONS of medium ships so the drones died instantly from being launched. Ship is doing about 300 dps with cruise missiles and drones are doing 829 with 2 Ogre II's, which i'm guessing wasn't helping either. I do love the ship, because drones and shields are my favorite. Just a shame there are not many ships that those 2 work together with.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#8 - 2017-03-29 07:59:56 UTC
yea cruisers have a lot of hate for heavy/sentry drones. I typically only use sentries as I can just scoop/redeploy them if they take aggro. Plus sentries have a ton of hp, and even more with that rattler bonus.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2017-03-30 00:55:13 UTC
NPC aggro is also based on size of Drones being deployed.

NPC small hull class ships target Light Drones and larger.
NPC medium hull class ships target Medium Drones and larger.
NPC large hull class ships target Heavy Drones and larger.

In my experience I've found it's better to take out the small hull class NPC's first before launching Light or Medium Drones. If the need arises for launching Light or Medium Drones before all NPC small / medium hull class ships are destroyed, such as destroying Ewar NPC's in close orbit of your ship, just quickly remove that threat and then recall Drones asap. Continue taking out the small / medium hull class NPC's and then launch your Drones for alpha strike on the large hull class NPC's.


DMC
Villinde
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2017-03-30 23:10:43 UTC
Yeah I knew that about the NPC targeting with drone sizes. I was more just confused that the Rattlesnake drones insta pull aggro and my Ishtar's drones very very very rarely pull aggro off of me, even though they do almost the exact same DPS. I even use weapons on the Rattlesnake and have no weapons on my hull in the Ishtar. It's also not even the high individual damage the Rattlers drones do, because even light drones I launch from it pull aggro from small ships very quickly, where my Ishtar's lights don't. I've just started using a Gecko instead of 2 Ogre II's. That little drone can take a lot of hits when launched from a Rattler.