These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
123Next page
 

I didn't vote. Here's why.
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Brian Paone
Doomheim
#1 - 2017-03-27 10:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Brian Paone
(Removed - no point to a serious post, is there? ISD, please remove at your leisure; thank you.)
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#2 - 2017-03-27 10:21:02 UTC
Brian Paone wrote:
I realize no form of government is perfect

The CSM isn't a government, it's a focussed customer group.
Used by CCP (and by many other consumer product oriented companies) to get feedback and test ideas.
The only unusual thing with the CSM is that CCP lets us customers select the group instead of selecting it them self.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2017-03-27 10:23:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Yebo Lakatosh
Brian Paone wrote:
I also feel NPC corporations are badly underrepresented,
You almost tricked me into thinking you were serious. It would have worked if you didn't give yourself away with the quoted line.

Still, top quality troll!

Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
Brian Paone
Doomheim
#4 - 2017-03-27 11:23:07 UTC
I suppose the CSM is merely a reflection of what I'm seeing on the forum, then. You lot really aren't all that interested in conversation, are you. :-)

All the best.
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2017-03-27 11:28:11 UTC
Damn it was -serious-? Seriously? Than you did yourself a favor of removing it. But it still would have been better to just plea trolling.

Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
ApexDynamo
Neurosurgical Reconstruction Centre
#6 - 2017-03-27 11:29:58 UTC
Ive never once voted for csm's or in reality, the speeches are just false advertisement, never once seen a csm actually fullfill what he/she ever said they would do
Kieron VonDeux
#7 - 2017-03-27 11:33:40 UTC
Brian Paone wrote:
(Removed - no point to a serious post, is there? ISD, please remove at your leisure; thank you.)



No, the Internets is unfortunately full of trolls.
And I think it eventually turns decent people into them as well.


Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#8 - 2017-03-27 11:45:14 UTC
I voted for Mangala. Once when he ran. Only person that I have ever voted for or will likely. Its not that my vote doesnt count its that I dont believe in people to actually be good in any moral sense. Get away with what you can is about it as long as you can. Im sure some would say the same about me though too.Blink

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2017-03-27 12:54:51 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
I dont believe in people to actually be good in any moral sense.
As far as I have seen, people don't vote for someone because they are convinced that their candidate is the best possible option of ever. That's sheep. People vote for they are convinced that the -other- candidates are abysmal, and they have to do what they can to keep them away from power.

Guess it's the same in EvE too. Smile

Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
Cristl
#10 - 2017-03-27 13:25:28 UTC
Brian Paone wrote:
The Council of Stellar Management is quite the interesting concept. (At least to me - I had a thing for politics back in the day.) But after looking it over, I decided not to participate for a few reasons:

* Lack of serious candidates: In my opinion, too few people took the idea seriously. There were more joke candidacies than most American presidential elections. If the candidates (in general and overall, not as a totality) can't take themselves or the process seriously, it's very difficult for me to do so.

* Weighted concept: As a concept, the CSM is weighted far too heavily in favor of large groups. There doesn't appear to be any kind of viable mechanism for small groups to have their voices given equal weight. I realize no form of government is perfect, but I feel more work can be done to give smaller, less visible groups a more equal place at the table. I also feel NPC corporations are badly underrepresented, to the point of even possible derision.

It's a great concept, but ultimately seems to be rubber-stamping. I'd like to see the process and candidates (again, overall, not in totality) mature a bit more before participating. Keep up the progress! o7
Why not ignore the silly candidates and vote for the serious ones then? Your rationale is completely arse-backwards: your inaction may contribute to genuine candidates being trumped (ahem, no capital T, lawyers).

Also, what do you mean by weighted too heavily in favour of large groups? Isn't that how democracy works? I mean, a hypothetical scientology party wouldn't get many votes because most people view them as (the lawyers are here again, complete this sentence as you see fit).

Finally, NPC corps are underrepresented? What the hell are you on about?!
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2017-03-27 13:29:58 UTC
Yebo Lakatosh wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
I dont believe in people to actually be good in any moral sense.
As far as I have seen, people don't vote for someone because they are convinced that their candidate is the best possible option of ever. That's sheep. People vote for they are convinced that the -other- candidates are abysmal, and they have to do what they can to keep them away from power.

Guess it's the same in EvE too. Smile


The fact that voting IRL goes that way quite often is kinda terrible IMO. We settle for the lesser turd instead of finding the shooting star.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#12 - 2017-03-27 13:31:13 UTC
Cristl wrote:
Brian Paone wrote:
The Council of Stellar Management is quite the interesting concept. (At least to me - I had a thing for politics back in the day.) But after looking it over, I decided not to participate for a few reasons:

* Lack of serious candidates: In my opinion, too few people took the idea seriously. There were more joke candidacies than most American presidential elections. If the candidates (in general and overall, not as a totality) can't take themselves or the process seriously, it's very difficult for me to do so.

* Weighted concept: As a concept, the CSM is weighted far too heavily in favor of large groups. There doesn't appear to be any kind of viable mechanism for small groups to have their voices given equal weight. I realize no form of government is perfect, but I feel more work can be done to give smaller, less visible groups a more equal place at the table. I also feel NPC corporations are badly underrepresented, to the point of even possible derision.

It's a great concept, but ultimately seems to be rubber-stamping. I'd like to see the process and candidates (again, overall, not in totality) mature a bit more before participating. Keep up the progress! o7
Why not ignore the silly candidates and vote for the serious ones then? Your rationale is completely arse-backwards: your inaction may contribute to genuine candidates being trumped (ahem, no capital T, lawyers).

Also, what do you mean by weighted too heavily in favour of large groups? Isn't that how democracy works? I mean, a hypothetical scientology party wouldn't get many votes because most people view them as (the lawyers are here again, complete this sentence as you see fit).

Finally, NPC corps are underrepresented? What the hell are you on about?!


I read your reply, and I noticed that your tone is the exact same as mine. Where you going "WT ever loving F" the entire time you were typing...like I did lol Big smile

I mean, the part where the poster said something about small groups being given equal weight to small group. How does being in a 'small group' make you special?

And how in the hell does being in an NPC corps stop you from voting. Hell CCP makes POP UPS in game telling EVERYONE CSM voting is going on. Is it 'big groups' fault that people in small groups and NPC corps don't give enough of a damn to spend 15 seconds voting for a csm candidate.

Why is their laziness somehow a problem CCP needs to fix?
Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#13 - 2017-03-27 15:06:34 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:

The fact that voting IRL goes that way quite often is kinda terrible IMO. We settle for the lesser turd instead of finding the shooting star.


IRL European history has made people a bit leery of honest demagogues or real leaders, since they drown the crops with young men's blood, so managerial types are favoured for now.
I've met and spoken on comms with people involved with the CSM, it's actually not that bad a thing and cynicism about it is more of a posture than an informed stance.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Zanar Skwigelf
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#14 - 2017-03-27 15:14:07 UTC
*OP makes a thread about how people like him are underrepresented*

*OP pulls his opinion the minute someone disagrees with it*

RollRollRollRollRollRollRollRollRollRollRollRoll
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#15 - 2017-03-27 15:17:51 UTC
Yebo Lakatosh wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
I dont believe in people to actually be good in any moral sense.
As far as I have seen, people don't vote for someone because they are convinced that their candidate is the best possible option of ever. That's sheep. People vote for they are convinced that the -other- candidates are abysmal, and they have to do what they can to keep them away from power.

Guess it's the same in EvE too. Smile

Yeah the lesser of two evils isnt a good way to run things. As for sheeple well... statistical psychology and behaviour pysch kinda spells it out for me which makes me cry myself to sleep at night in my beer. Its just a shame really.What?

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Jacques d'Orleans
#16 - 2017-03-27 16:18:00 UTC
Brian Paone wrote:
I suppose the CSM is merely a reflection of what I'm seeing on the forum, then. You lot really aren't all that interested in conversation, are you. :-)

All the best.


What does it feel like to be so weak that mere words in a forum thread offend you?

Breakfast is the most important drink of the day.
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2017-03-27 16:57:38 UTC
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
Brian Paone wrote:
I suppose the CSM is merely a reflection of what I'm seeing on the forum, then. You lot really aren't all that interested in conversation, are you. :-)

All the best.


What does it feel like to be so weak that mere words in a forum thread offend you?

Brian is a very special sort of snowflake Jacques. He has mastered completely the nose-in-the-air turn-on-the-heel and flounce-out-the-door scene.

I'd happily discuss his ideas with him, if he and they warranted the attention he so ardently believes they merit. I've been having a to-and-fro with him in a thread elsewhere, but it's the same darned thing as here. Given a platform, he's comfortable (if pompous) and clearly in his element. As soon as the mic is passed to a critic, he pops.

Good luck trying catch snowflakes, let alone pin them down..

minerbumping

New Order Audio Archive

NEW! MinerBumping Video Vault
Keno Skir
#18 - 2017-03-27 16:57:38 UTC
Brian Paone wrote:
I suppose the CSM is merely a reflection of what I'm seeing on the forum, then. You lot really aren't all that interested in conversation, are you. :-)

All the best.


Not with you no. Either you're posting with an alt making you irrelevant, or you really are 4 months in game which makes your opinion on voting in the CSM irrelevant.

It's ok to be uninformed as long as you aren't flamey, and it's ok sometimes to be flamey as long as you're well informed. Your posting history shows you to be very flamey and very uninformed, which is a sorry combination.

It was especially funny to read your thoughts on how being a pirate in a video game means you're "opposing your own species" and the worst kind of human being in real life.

Pathetic. That's why nobody listens to you Pirate

Black Lanterns Blog <- Read my ramblings -.-

250,000 Bonus SP when you start an Alpha Clone HERE <---
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#19 - 2017-03-27 17:31:25 UTC
Brian Paone wrote:
(Removed - no point to a serious post, is there?...)


Brian Paone wrote:
I suppose the CSM is merely a reflection of what I'm seeing on the forum, then. You lot really aren't all that interested in conversation, are you. :-)


What, you mean this post you made? Oh.
Brian Paone wrote:
The Council of Stellar Management is quite the interesting concept. (At least to me - I had a thing for politics back in the day.) But after looking it over, I decided not to participate for a few reasons:

* Lack of serious candidates: In my opinion, too few people took the idea seriously. There were more joke candidacies than most American presidential elections. If the candidates (in general and overall, not as a totality) can't take themselves or the process seriously, it's very difficult for me to do so.

* Weighted concept: As a concept, the CSM is weighted far too heavily in favor of large groups. There doesn't appear to be any kind of viable mechanism for small groups to have their voices given equal weight. I realize no form of government is perfect, but I feel more work can be done to give smaller, less visible groups a more equal place at the table. I also feel NPC corporations are badly underrepresented, to the point of even possible derision.

It's a great concept, but ultimately seems to be rubber-stamping. I'd like to see the process and candidates (again, overall, not in totality) mature a bit more before participating. Keep up the progress! o7


Superlative thoughts, sir. With just two minor flaws - One, THE CSM IS NOT A GOVERNMENT and two, THE CSM IS NOT A GOVERNMENT. Now I realise that technically speaking that's only one flaw but I thought that it was such a big one that it was worth mentioning twice.

Have a special day.

EvE security zones in pictures

EvE quick reference pdf

EvE links
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#20 - 2017-03-27 18:09:01 UTC
To anyone that doesn't vote, if you don't speak how can you complain about the outcome?

This post brought to you by CCP's alpha forum alt initiative. Playing the eve forums has never come cheaper.
123Next page