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Salvos Rhoska
#21 - 2017-03-26 12:20:57 UTC
ApexDynamo wrote:
was a 3/10 serpentis narcotics warhouse, got it from a serpentis refuge usually classifys as a escaltion since i didnt need to scan it down.


So a Serpentis site escalating into Minmatar space.
Interdasting.

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Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2017-03-26 13:25:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Coralas
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I suspect there is a way to game this, atleast to increase the chance of the 5/10 ending up in HS, by choosing locations that are at some sweet spot distance from LS.

As another guy said, Angel 5/10s can rarely escalate to Gallente, but in HS, so its a longer trip, but HS.

Having said that, what is probably more important, is running as many refuges/dens as you can, and thus doing them in an area with as few competitors as possible.


For serpentis hydroponic - after I started keeping records (all on this character) - used to do them before I kept records too.

I have done 331 serpentis dens, for 34 escalations, 18 commanders, longest streak 79 with no commanders, 36 with no escalations, twice got both esc and commander, 17 escalations into lowsec, 2 escalations to highsec islands, 8 escalations to highsec and 7 escalations to null.

The escalation system is a walker that doesn't seem to be fooled by dead ends, will take intersection branches to lower sec, but can be fooled by loops and by sec going back up, after going lower, and can get pretty predictable if its a long dead end pipe or there is a region gate - geometry to make them predictable is more common in null, mine always went from Vale to Geminate because I lived 2 jumps from the dead end but only 2 jumps from the region gate in the other direction, so it chose to never stay in Vale for an escalation. 30 or so in a row.

There is no serpentis den location that will always escalate to highsec at least for serpentis, and there is no system without lots of competitors for the content. Though anomoly content in gurista space has such fast turn over you can probably stand still there if you wanted to
Salvos Rhoska
#23 - 2017-03-26 13:48:25 UTC
Coralas wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I suspect there is a way to game this, atleast to increase the chance of the 5/10 ending up in HS, by choosing locations that are at some sweet spot distance from LS.

As another guy said, Angel 5/10s can rarely escalate to Gallente, but in HS, so its a longer trip, but HS.

Having said that, what is probably more important, is running as many refuges/dens as you can, and thus doing them in an area with as few competitors as possible.


For serpentis hydroponic - after I started keeping records (all on this character) - used to do them before I kept records too.

I have done 331 serpentis dens, for 34 escalations, 18 commanders, longest streak 79 with no commanders, 36 with no escalations, twice got both esc and commander, 17 escalations into lowsec, 2 escalations to highsec islands, 8 escalations to highsec and 7 escalations to null.

The escalation system is a walker that doesn't seem to be fooled by dead ends, will take intersection branches to lower sec, but can be fooled by loops and by sec going back up, after going lower, and can get pretty predictable if its a long dead end pipe or there is a region gate - geometry to make them predictable is more common in null, mine always went from Vale to Geminate because I lived 2 jumps from the dead end but only 2 jumps from the region gate in the other direction, so it chose to never stay in Vale for an escalation. 30 or so in a row.

There is no serpentis den location that will always escalate to highsec at least for serpentis, and there is no system without lots of competitors for the content. Though anomoly content in gurista space has such fast turn over you can probably stand still there if you wanted to


Very interesting. Thank you for sharing your collated data and experienxe.

1) My experience with HS Angel refuges/dens, though I have not kept count, imo equals the 10% chance you demonstrated.

2) I agree that geographic geometry, can increase chance of a HS escalation. My rough estimate where I am, is about a 50% chance of an HS destination. I consider that pretty good odds, and am quite convinced its due to the above.

I cant speak to your NS experience, but 30 in a row is pretty definitive.

3) Ive had my eye on a certain HS Serpentis constellation for a long time, but havent moved down to try it out due to not having fits to deal with damps yet. I think it is equally equidistant as my current base of operation from LS and loops etc (further confused by HS islands in LS I think).

4) Prices on HS DED modules have dropped dramatically since my last active period due to proliferation of content runners, and subsequently 5/10 escalation hunting has increased dramatically. Its remarkable how quickly EVE players adapt. There are so many smart players in this game.

But also stupid ones. I frequently run into Tengus running refuge/den sites, and just wonder why.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2017-03-26 14:28:07 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
ApexDynamo wrote:
i got a 3/10 in gallante space and it spawned in minmatar space. :/


Hmm. But isnt that an expedition, rather than an escalation?

Expeditions are multi-part endeavors, whereas escalations lead to one site.


When you reach a certain stage or complete a certain objective within an exploration combat site, there's a chance that the site will escalate to another location. After you receive an Escalation path notice, the location will be listed in the Expedition tab of your Journal. You then have an active Expedition with a count down timer of 24 hours to complete it. After traveling to the Expedition system, you warp to the site by right-clicking the link in the Expedition tab of your Journal.

Cosmic Signatures :
Unrated 'Named' Complexes have a chance to escalate into Expedition, up to 4 stages. Upon completion, each stage has a chance to escalate into another Expedition.

DED Rated Complexes will not escalate into an Expedition.

Cosmic Anomalies :
'Named' combat sites have a chance to escalate into an Expedition, one time to a DED Rated Complex.


Expedition sites can not be found by scanning, however your ship and Drones can be probed while you're in it.


DMC

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2017-03-26 14:37:53 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I frequently run into Tengus running refuge/den sites, and just wonder why.

Probably because while they're traveling around looking for Cosmic Signature Combat Sites, they can quickly complete those Cosmic Anomalies before going to the next system..

That's what I do, waste not want not, right ? Besides that, those sites have no Acceleration Gates so no need to switch ships.


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Salvos Rhoska
#26 - 2017-03-26 14:38:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Expedition sites can not be found by scanning, however your ship and Drones can be probed while you're in it.


Thank you. I was confused to no end by this guy showing up. but that is what I figured too.

Good for him. I wish I had had the sense to congratulate him.
He must have been overjoyed to find a cleared 5/10 and nab the loot.
Very rare opportunity, and he handled it. He clearly knew the final room.

I also see how I was wrong defining escalations as separate from expeditions.

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Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#27 - 2017-03-26 19:12:21 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Expedition sites can not be found by scanning, however your ship and Drones can be probed while you're in it.


Thank you. I was confused to no end by this guy showing up. but that is what I figured too.

Good for him. I wish I had had the sense to congratulate him.
He must have been overjoyed to find a cleared 5/10 and nab the loot.
Very rare opportunity, and he handled it. He clearly knew the final room.

I also see how I was wrong defining escalations as separate from expeditions.


Remove (salvage) the Captain Rouge wreck in the first room ASAP. This NPC is unique to the 5/10, so people who see the wreck on d-scan will know what you are doing. Removing battleship wrecks makes sense too.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#28 - 2017-03-27 03:41:25 UTC
Nam Dnilb wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Expedition sites can not be found by scanning, however your ship and Drones can be probed while you're in it.


Thank you. I was confused to no end by this guy showing up. but that is what I figured too.

Good for him. I wish I had had the sense to congratulate him.
He must have been overjoyed to find a cleared 5/10 and nab the loot.
Very rare opportunity, and he handled it. He clearly knew the final room.

I also see how I was wrong defining escalations as separate from expeditions.


Remove (salvage) the Captain Rouge wreck in the first room ASAP. This NPC is unique to the 5/10, so people who see the wreck on d-scan will know what you are doing. Removing battleship wrecks makes sense too.



Snipers had to shoot this wreck. But when the gankers cried for wreck EHP increases and got it, it was a nerf to mission runners having a stealth option. But alas the self-entitled complain about everything carebears failed to show up and complain.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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