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Let's address a few things shall we?

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The Devils Cousin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2017-03-26 12:27:23 UTC
So every day you see threads all over the forums on whinging incompetent pilots who basically whinge non stop about basic mechanics!

So let's address this shall we?

1. If you undock, you are fair game, you are never safe, it's that simple.

Which part of this do you not understand? Eve is a harsh universe, welcome to Eve, where we don't give you a cookie, we take your cookie, smash it on the floor and then laugh at you for bringing a damn cookie in the first place!

2. My barge or venture keeps getting ganked.

Right, if you choose to mine in mission systems, close to trade hubs i.e within 5 jumps this is going to happen, it's that simple, My alt mines AFK every day and it has NEVER been ganked, do you know why? Because it is 22 jumps from the nearest market hub and 18 jumps from the nearest level 4 mission area. might want to think about that maybe?

3. Solo PvP is dead, we need more players.

This is complete and utter bullshit, I get 1v1 fights non stop, I never have to look very far, the bottom line is, if you choose to run around In dramiels, comets, firetails etc then expect everyone in a ship that CANNOT stand up to that to run away, if you want to level the playing field then become part of that level instead of showing off your ISK abilitys.

4. Missions don't make any money, it's a grind.

How is this different from any other game? Not to mention the ISK in missions is NOT in the bounties, it is in the LP rewards, you need to work out what LP reward in your tree of rewards sells for the most and what is time efficient.

5. Had my freighter ganked like 10 times, wth CCP.

If you choose to AFK a billion ISK ship across high sec from Amarr to Jita or Dodixie to Jita, then you are going to get what's coming to you, it's that simple, there are so many ways around this, cloaky haulers, multiple runs etc, use your Brain, it's that simple.

This is just a few and I hope, that you think before you keep posting the same old drivel!

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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#2 - 2017-03-26 12:32:21 UTC
+1 Agree

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#3 - 2017-03-26 13:01:09 UTC
7 kills to your name, four of which are POCO's, perhaps doing rather than virtue signalling drivel would be an idea. ShockedRoll Or as they say on C&P post with your main...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

The Devils Cousin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2017-03-26 13:43:21 UTC
Point & Game No?

What has a killboard to do with this post fella?

Point Proved me thinks

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#5 - 2017-03-26 14:28:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
The Devils Cousin wrote:
Point & Game No?

What has a killboard to do with this post fella?

Point Proved me thinks


You are casting dispersions on fellow Eve players and yet your own experience is sadly lacking. Killboard stats and all that are meaningless apart from the fact that they define whether you have experience, go away and think about that and then perhaps you could make more sense.

All you have proven is that you are full of hot air and are seeking attention and these forums are full of such posting, now if you could actually do an interesting post of your experiences then I would happily read it.

o7

EDIT: In your sig you have a link to a you tube channel, that is good stuff.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

The Devils Cousin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2017-03-26 14:31:46 UTC
Evasive Shadow Assassin

my pvp main,

Hungo - Mine from 03-2010

etc

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#7 - 2017-03-26 14:33:40 UTC
I'll put my janky killboard out there and say that OP's advice is pretty sound. Attitude is everything!

@lunettelulu7

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#8 - 2017-03-26 14:40:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
The Devils Cousin wrote:
Evasive Shadow Assassin

my pvp main,

Hungo - Mine from 03-2010

etc


Now that is better, a tough place to play in and you have what I call a good killboard for what you are doing, don't worry I am currently a F1 monkey, but I did a 1 v 2 last night setting them up to think I was kiting fit, I was brawl fit, lol.

Hungo, yeah so you have major alliance experience, all good.

I personally don't disagree with a number of your points, the one I have an issue with is the freighter pilot commnt because of what are to me pretty obvious reasons, AFK is only a small part of it and in fact very few do it. Many of those players are flying ships that are worth a lot more than your main, furthermore some of them are taking a high risk against tactics that have no counter. except for docking up and logging off. You can run along with the herd and say silly freighter pilot, or you can see it for what it is, personally I think they have much bigger balls than me, maybe my balls are small?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#9 - 2017-03-26 14:47:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
The Devils Cousin wrote:

2. My barge or venture keeps getting ganked.

Right, if you choose to mine in mission systems, close to trade hubs i.e within 5 jumps this is going to happen, it's that simple, My alt mines AFK every day and it has NEVER been ganked, do you know why? Because it is 22 jumps from the nearest market hub and 18 jumps from the nearest level 4 mission area. might want to think about that maybe?


While that works for many people - I've 1-2 real life acquaintances who I've given that advice to and they have still got ganked - part of the problem being they are too new to the game to know how to make themselves not look like a target and while some might be able to overcome that others will be put off the game before they've really experienced what the game has to offer.

Someone with a few months in the game though that is another story.

The Devils Cousin wrote:

4. Missions don't make any money, it's a grind.

How is this different from any other game? Not to mention the ISK in missions is NOT in the bounties, it is in the LP rewards, you need to work out what LP reward in your tree of rewards sells for the most and what is time efficient.


One way it is different - in most other games that grind is part of the main story arc progression - not so much in Eve - well Eve is the story but it doesn't cut it when it comes to the realities of missioning.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#10 - 2017-03-26 14:56:50 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
I'll put my janky killboard out there and say that OP's advice is pretty sound. Attitude is everything!


Well it is the contempt part on item 5. that got me, first of all most people who lose freighters are not AFK, perhaps he should jump into a freighter and try it with a good 2bn in cargo. I once got given 1bn by a NCDOT. JF pilot who was saved by me bumping him out of optimal, he then got an emergency cyno and was safe. Was he a bad player no, though he should have had that cyno up and ready earlier, I would think he learnt his lesson well.

What is a counter to a bump? How do you deal with a blackbird that is suicide pointing you so your webbing does not work so the bumper gets on to you. Ignorance is still ignorance, the OP now looks to me like a decent player now that I have more to go on, what is more interesting to me is whether he has it within himself to cut through the bull and actually realise that there is more to it than bait posting on GD.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

The Devils Cousin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2017-03-26 14:57:54 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
The Devils Cousin wrote:
Evasive Shadow Assassin

my pvp main,

Hungo - Mine from 03-2010

etc


Now that is better, a tough place to play in and you have what I call a good killboard for what you are doing, don't worry I am currently a F1 monkey, but I did a 1 v 2 last night setting them up to think I was kiting fit, I was brawl fit, lol.

Hungo, yeah so you have major alliance experience, all good.

I personally don't disagree with a number of your points, the one I have an issue with is the freighter pilot commnt because of what are to me pretty obvious reasons, AFK is only a small part of it and in fact very few do it. Many of those players are flying ships that are worth a lot more than your main, furthermore some of them are taking a high risk against tactics that have no counter. except for docking up and logging off. You can run along with the herd and say silly freighter pilot, or you can see it for what it is, personally I think they have much bigger balls than me, maybe my balls are small?


of course, i meant not offence with my post at all, merely an opinion but as my mother used to say, opinions are like bum holes, we all have them!

But I run a frieghter a lot which transports my pvp ships sum times as much as 2 billion isk worth of ships etc. Insta undocks, warps etc

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#12 - 2017-03-26 15:04:21 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Lulu Lunette wrote:
I'll put my janky killboard out there and say that OP's advice is pretty sound. Attitude is everything!


Well it is the contempt part on item 5. that got me, first of all most people who lose freighters are not AFK, perhaps he should jump into a freighter and try it with a good 2bn in cargo. I once got given 1bn by a NCDOT. JF pilot who was saved by me bumping him out of optimal, he then got an emergency cyno and was safe. Was he a bad player no, though he should have had that cyno up and ready earlier, I would think he learnt his lesson well.

What is a counter to a bump? How do you deal with a blackbird that is suicide pointing you so your webbing does not work so the bumper gets on to you. Ignorance is still ignorance, the OP now looks to me like a decent player now that I have more to go on, what is more interesting to me is whether he has it within himself to cut through the bull and actually realise that there is more to it than bait posting on GD.


The counter is a courier contract. Get someone else to deal with it Cool

@lunettelulu7

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#13 - 2017-03-26 15:09:55 UTC
The Devils Cousin wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
The Devils Cousin wrote:
Evasive Shadow Assassin

my pvp main,

Hungo - Mine from 03-2010

etc


Now that is better, a tough place to play in and you have what I call a good killboard for what you are doing, don't worry I am currently a F1 monkey, but I did a 1 v 2 last night setting them up to think I was kiting fit, I was brawl fit, lol.

Hungo, yeah so you have major alliance experience, all good.

I personally don't disagree with a number of your points, the one I have an issue with is the freighter pilot commnt because of what are to me pretty obvious reasons, AFK is only a small part of it and in fact very few do it. Many of those players are flying ships that are worth a lot more than your main, furthermore some of them are taking a high risk against tactics that have no counter. except for docking up and logging off. You can run along with the herd and say silly freighter pilot, or you can see it for what it is, personally I think they have much bigger balls than me, maybe my balls are small?


of course, i meant not offence with my post at all, merely an opinion but as my mother used to say, opinions are like bum holes, we all have them!

But I run a frieghter a lot which transports my pvp ships sum times as much as 2 billion isk worth of ships etc. Insta undocks, warps etc


Of course you can reduce the risk by instra undocks etc., but if you get scanned and they really want to get your freighter your webber will not help and your only option is having 4 characters each in a Talos ready to suicide gank the bumper you don't have any other way of getting out. Do they have a point or not, perhaps they are fail for not doing that but so many so called good players fail that test and to be blunt I could not do it which is why I sold my freighter.

o7 for the reply.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#14 - 2017-03-26 15:11:23 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Lulu Lunette wrote:
I'll put my janky killboard out there and say that OP's advice is pretty sound. Attitude is everything!


Well it is the contempt part on item 5. that got me, first of all most people who lose freighters are not AFK, perhaps he should jump into a freighter and try it with a good 2bn in cargo. I once got given 1bn by a NCDOT. JF pilot who was saved by me bumping him out of optimal, he then got an emergency cyno and was safe. Was he a bad player no, though he should have had that cyno up and ready earlier, I would think he learnt his lesson well.

What is a counter to a bump? How do you deal with a blackbird that is suicide pointing you so your webbing does not work so the bumper gets on to you. Ignorance is still ignorance, the OP now looks to me like a decent player now that I have more to go on, what is more interesting to me is whether he has it within himself to cut through the bull and actually realise that there is more to it than bait posting on GD.


The counter is a courier contract. Get someone else to deal with it Cool


Yes I do that now, with +25% on the collateral. I just hope my courier is picked up by someone on the Goon / CODE blue list What?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

The Devils Cousin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2017-03-26 15:19:41 UTC
CODE are funny, stupid but funny, tried to gank my tengu with three nados, failed horribly

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Keno Skir
#16 - 2017-03-26 15:22:51 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
You can run along with the herd and say silly freighter pilot, or you can see it for what it is, personally I think they have much bigger balls than me, maybe my balls are small?


Total rubbish. Unless it's a deliberately profitless freighter gank (which happen but are VERY rare) ganking is almost inevitably the victims mistake. The mechanic they should have used is to transport less value at once, quite obviously.. Pirate

Not to mention the huge list of other precautions most of them never take.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#17 - 2017-03-26 15:28:31 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
You can run along with the herd and say silly freighter pilot, or you can see it for what it is, personally I think they have much bigger balls than me, maybe my balls are small?


Total rubbish. Unless it's a deliberately profitless freighter gank (which happen but are VERY rare) ganking is almost inevitably the victims mistake. The mechanic they should have used is to transport less value at once, quite obviously.. Pirate

Not to mention the huge list of other precautions most of them never take.


Oh dear hot air and no detail of this huge list.

1. Do not AFK
2. Watch local
3. Use a scout
4. Set them -10
5. Use a webber
6. Never take more than 1bn
7. Dock up at the sight of any danger

Does that sound about right? Such impressive counters, I almost came writing them Shocked

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2017-03-26 15:33:28 UTC
6. If youre op you waste everyones time with redundant threads in general discussion.
The Devils Cousin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2017-03-26 15:47:56 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
6. If youre op you waste everyones time with redundant threads in general discussion.


7. if you are a troll who has nothing better to do that tawl the forums looking for posts to post what he thinks is "witty" when it is simple "nobby"

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2017-03-26 16:01:28 UTC
Not sure what all the fuss is about, did I miss a bunch of 'Rage' threads whining about Suicide Ganking ? Whether or not there were threads posted, this is definitely a sore topic that really doesn't need to be escalated by counterpoint threads.

As my old Pappy use to say, 'If you think there's no problem, then you're part of the problem.'



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