EVE General Discussion

All of this is already provided. Missions, storylines, special events, all from the relative safety of hi sec. Doesn't change the fact that for a lot of people EVE is a challenge they are either not willing to take on or find boring compared to other games they play.

This whole notion that more cotton wool is going to attract and keep more players is just utter bs.

No. Stop trying to nerf cloaks because you are bad. And there is a dedicated stickied post for this. So keep this crap out of this thread.

This is not a good idea. EVE is a competitive MMO. That is when you play the game you are in competition with other players all the time. When I invent T2 modules I am in competition with other players buying the same inputs, and also making the same modules. Even though we never see each other, speak to each other, etc. we are, in a way, interacting. We also face risks as we move these materials around. Further, those risks are based on our choices. The ships we use, and where we do the inventing, building, etc.

But a safe area would allow players to effect the in game economy without any risks. Thus, this safe system should have virtually no rewards which is not going to be very satisfying to the players there. You want rewards, go out of that safe zone and face the risks associated with the decisions you make in trying to capture those rewards. Yes, you may lose your ship and even be podded, depending on the context. But that is the nature of the game. If you are clever and figure something out you get to reap the rewards. If you fail, well you learned something...that approach, tactic, etc. didn't work. Try something else. Eve is a game of trial-and-error and yes, new players are going to make more errors....because the older players have already made the same or similar errors and learned from them. Trying to circumvent this is, IMO, a mistake.

And to a large extent there are groups out there that will help new players. Brave, Pandemic Horde, Karmafleet, EVE Uni, are some of them. Even GoonWaffe will be very helpful to new players coming in from the Something Awful forums. Goons have an extensive wiki for new players to the game. And note...there are groups. Playing this game is better and easier in groups. Get into a good corporation/alliance is very important early on.

BTW, there is a similar thread on this here.

So you want to limit the current alpha clone to a tiny few systems containing only other clueless newbros, and make them play a version of EvE that is literally nothing like the actual game? That's your idea? And if they want to see what the actual game is like they need to subscribe?

You should be issued a special hat..

This is why CCP only uses the CSM for feedback. Because people want horrible ideas like fueled cloaking.

Luckily though, the majority don't support stupid ideas like cloak fuel...

This thread delivers!

#Tears #Butthurtcarebears #OscarsSoWhine

There is no stupidity in my response. What you fail to grasp is that these transactions are all voluntary. CCP is not making Bob buy a PLEX. Nor is Bob making Joe buy it for ISK. Bob and Joe and CCP are all behaving in a voluntary manner. Each is getting something of value to them. All these transactions make CCP, Bob and Joe better off.

Further, this transaction also changes the distribution of ISK. Joe, who has sufficient ISK that he feels like buying a PLEX, transfers some of his ISK wealth to Joe. So PLEX provide a method of shifting ISK from those who have considerable amounts or large enough streams of ISK, to those who don't (for whatever reasons).

So again, why care about this transaction? Why is Joe having more game time bad? Why is Bob getting the ISK he wants bad? And if Bob doesn't buy the PLEX? The PLEX market in EVE is fairly thick. Currently EVE Central is telling me there are 791 PLEX for sale in game excluding the PLEX doe sale in Perimeter. I wouldn’t be surprised if including Perimeter we’d go well over 1,000. So Joe has plenty of options if Bob doesn’t buy one.

In fact, most of the market transactions in game are largely anonymous. I don’t know who I am buying from until after I buy it and often times I don’t even care. I don’t care who I bought stuff from, I don’t care what they do with the ISK they got from me, I don’t care where they got the stuff I bought. I don’t care if it is loot, they made it, or whatever. This is called anonymous exchange it is what allows there to be vast amounts of stuff in game (and RL).

Who is buying what from whom….? I really couldn’t care any less. Nor should you.

Cloaks are fuelled with tears - its a never ending supply.

I was answering your question.



You asked why? And I explained it; you just don't like the explanation.

Why does Bob pay double for game time and then sell it? Who cares. If I had to guess it is because it makes him better off. Either he doesn't like or have time to grind ISK so he is using PLEX.

Edit: And for one who whines like a ***** about others putting words in your mouth, I never denied anything about this dubious claim that suddenly nobody buys PLEX for RL money and sell them in game. That is your own statement about what I wrote.

Now could it happen? Could hundreds if not thousands of players who are currently buying PLEX for RL money and selling them for ISK all stop at once? Sure. Do I think it likely? No. It is like worrying you are going to get killed by a stampede of elephants.

I like these suggestions.