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What came first, chicken or the egg?

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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-03-24 20:06:40 UTC
I have too much brain activity on Friday...

Eve is made by players, run by players and built by players.

If everything is manufactured by players, who made the
first ships and structures, and with what?

If you always stay ready you don't have to get ready.

Zirashi
Cyclical Destruction
#2 - 2017-03-24 20:10:00 UTC
CCP made the first ships and structures. With lines of code.
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#3 - 2017-03-24 20:10:01 UTC
Your assumption is incorrect and therefore the question is invalid.

Daemun of Khanid

Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2017-03-24 20:13:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Trasch Taranogas
Are CCP still adding ships and stuff? I read that they
have financial people keeping an eye on ingame
economics to avoid total disaster.

To avoid real life.

If you always stay ready you don't have to get ready.

Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2017-03-24 20:16:41 UTC
Zirashi wrote:
CCP made the first ships and structures. With lines of code.


A fair misunderstanding of poor choice of words.

I meant what tools the first players had?

If you always stay ready you don't have to get ready.

Vash Bloodstone
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2017-03-24 20:32:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Vash Bloodstone
"Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at a Tengu and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to build a frigate without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your ammo by means of nothing but physical motions–and you’ll learn that man’s mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed in New Eden."
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#7 - 2017-03-24 20:36:11 UTC
Mijel Riak
Extensive Enterprises Space
#8 - 2017-03-24 20:52:06 UTC
...an egg that was not laid by a chicken...
Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2017-03-24 20:54:33 UTC
Mijel Riak wrote:
...an egg that was not laid by a chicken...



Most mitochondrial DNA lineages found today in contemporary Icelanders can be traced to the native populations in Ireland and Scotland and Scandinavia.

If you always stay ready you don't have to get ready.

Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#10 - 2017-03-24 20:56:12 UTC
You know, a rookie ship does come with a civilian miner module. It could take a long time but as long as you have that you can get into the economy. CCP made the rookie ships, then players make anything bigger than that, it's a pretty obvious question.

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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2017-03-24 21:02:27 UTC
Mr Mieyli wrote:
You know, a rookie ship does come with a civilian miner module. It could take a long time but as long as you have that you can get into the economy. CCP made the rookie ships, then players make anything bigger than that, it's a pretty obvious question.


I think its a fascinating and bold move if Eve actually started like that.

If you always stay ready you don't have to get ready.

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#12 - 2017-03-24 22:54:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Trasch Taranogas wrote:
Are CCP still adding ships and stuff? I read that they
have financial people keeping an eye on ingame
economics to avoid total disaster.

To avoid real life.

There used to be a professional economist watching and balancing things, but he left. I don't think they ever replaced him, but I'm not sure. Actually Eve having an onboard economist was a big selling point for me when I started. "Holy crap, this game's economy is so intricate, reactive to market forces, and realistic it needs an economist? And this game company put one on the payroll? How amazingly excellent is that?"

Too bad CCP doesn't occasionally mention the economy in their marketing/P.R. If I say to my other adult friends "I play a game about spaceships fighting each other," they just look kind of uncomfortable and don't know what to say. But if I say "I play an online game with 100s of thousands of players competing in an intricate, realistic, hyper-capitalist economy," they get interested.
Vigirr
#13 - 2017-03-24 23:04:08 UTC
As the game didn't have a real tutorial or any sort of career agents back then, mining in the starting ships (now called corvettes) is what started it all.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#14 - 2017-03-24 23:08:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
There was economy presentation on nearly every fanfest. I think, that since CCP Dr.EyjoG left, they use the analytics team as previously, where CCP Quant works for long time. He publishes economic reports monthly.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2017-03-25 00:42:36 UTC
The egg came before the chicken, because of evolution. The first chicken egg was laid by something that wasn't a chicken.

Lexia Nova
Aggrobears
Clouds Of War
#16 - 2017-03-25 01:04:53 UTC
Ah I saw the answer to this in a dank meme video recently - The answer is the Chegg RollBlink
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#17 - 2017-03-25 01:07:58 UTC
Easy. Eve spontaneously came into existence when first time a Viking wrote a line of code. That Viking amazed at what Eve was logged in and was immediately podded by his best friend who found it earlier. That second Viking sold the login link to another Viking for a fortune but gave the third viking a previously used Plex for his isks. And with that Eve came into the world. That first Viking spends his days spinning a Rifter in a station somewhere in Jove space. He is the first bitter vet.
stoicfaux
#18 - 2017-03-25 01:09:24 UTC
Trasch Taranogas wrote:

If everything is manufactured by players, who made the
first ships and structures, and with what?

Earth did. With the same stuff we use now.


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mkint
#19 - 2017-03-25 02:11:38 UTC
Pretty sure there used to be NPC seeds for some ships on the market. Just like how skillbooks are NPC seeded now. I wasn't around then, but gossip is never wrong.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Cookie
Snakeoil Industries Ltd.
#20 - 2017-03-25 03:33:13 UTC
Along with the ship seeds there were also npc buy orders for minerals 1,4,16,64...4096 isk for them.

WTB DeLorian with cargo rigs Lol
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