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Othran
Route One
#61 - 2017-03-20 20:43:06 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:

People also kinda need to be honest and accept the market changed as a whole. Video games aren't what they used to be 10 years ago.


Of course they do.

People also need to be honest & accept that Eve is unlikely to survive a transition to meaningful MTs. ie game changing MTs.

Rock and a hard place for CCP really. Shame they blew all that cash on crap FPS/vampire/facebookgoggles stuff really but they've never had much of a clue about anything other than Eve.

We'll see what we see.

Like I said, times change whether we wish them to or not.
Kaybella Hakaari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2017-03-21 01:04:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaybella Hakaari
Teros Hakomairos wrote:
subscriptins have to stay WAY over every possible MT regarding benefit and possibilities.....

why?

Because this stays a sub based game and every further step towards a ftp madness ccp will have to fight and will have to take out of our dead hands....

the line is drawn here......

And here, and over here too.

That's the thing about individual consumers. Most of us don't like blatantly greedy P2W mechanics, but we won't all say goodbye over exactly the same one.

Edit: Which is bad for the game in general. Players are content, and after a certain point, after CCP having heard how blatantly P2W they've made things and how this one's going to kill the game, actually *will* drive off enough non-whales for there to just not enough content for the whales. They'll have spent all their goodwill and there won't be any more left even if they do discontinue everything that got the game labeled as P2W.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#63 - 2017-03-21 04:00:40 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
This is a subscription based game. There should be no microtransactions

Finally, a voice of reason emerges out of the deafening roar of MT jubilation.

In my opinion all MT items should be player made. The NES should only sell limited run BPC's for those items.

Now that would definitely kick industry up another notch in-game.



DMC


This. Hopefully, CCP has not forgotten their promise to never go the "Golden Ammo" route we feared they were headed when ARUM and the first iteration of the NES hit TQ. Eve doesn't need another Incarna.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2017-03-21 04:14:10 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
This is a subscription based game. There should be no microtransactions

Finally, a voice of reason emerges out of the deafening roar of MT jubilation.

In my opinion all MT items should be player made. The NES should only sell limited run BPC's for those items.

Now that would definitely kick industry up another notch in-game.



DMC


This. Hopefully, CCP has not forgotten their promise to never go the "Golden Ammo" route we feared they were headed when ARUM and the first iteration of the NES hit TQ. Eve doesn't need another Incarna.

Oh that's right, thanks for reminding me.

I forgot to include that all MT items will only be Vanity items.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2017-03-21 06:03:44 UTC
How much to let me fly a capital in High Sec? I wanna be the first clone on my block to gank a Venture with a Dreadnaught.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2017-03-21 06:10:37 UTC
20 plex: permit to fly caps in HS Acquired Cool
Pixel Piracy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2017-03-21 06:53:10 UTC
I doubt CCP would be stupid enough to release micro-transactions that provide in-game advantages. It would kill EVE because the majority of the player-base would quit in disgust. Any game that offers pay-to-win is a cancer in the gaming industry and should be boycotted without question.

That being said cosmetic micro-transactions are perfectly acceptable. Perhaps premium hull variants for existing ships (no stat changes, just variations on the hull design)? Find a way to make the captains quarters actually interesting by making it up-gradable with certain items and furnishings that can be purchased - granted this would also necessitate giving people a reason to actually use the captains quarters, something I can't really provide an answer to short of bringing up the walking-in-stations argument again. Or perhaps you could have the ability to visit someone's quarters per invitation?
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2017-03-21 06:59:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Soel Reit
Pixel Piracy wrote:
I doubt CCP would be stupid enough to release micro-transactions that provide in-game advantages. It would kill EVE because the majority of the player-base would quit in disgust. Any game that offers pay-to-win is a cancer in the gaming industry and should be boycotted without question.

That being said cosmetic micro-transactions are perfectly acceptable. Perhaps premium hull variants for existing ships (no stat changes, just variations on the hull design)? Find a way to make the captains quarters actually interesting by making it up-gradable with certain items and furnishings that can be purchased - granted this would also necessitate giving people a reason to actually use the captains quarters, something I can't really provide an answer to short of bringing up the walking-in-stations argument again. Or perhaps you could have the ability to visit someone's quarters per invitation?


becouse plex aren't P2W Cool
they don't do nothing, spend IRL money and get ingame goods Cool

when they wouldn't get anything in game becouse people would arrass their alliances etc
that's what the game has lost!

if you want a thing in eve you must be ready to fight for it!
not just plex and voilà, illimited ships ready to undock Cool

NotPay2Win yet right?Cool

there are people that plex and undock only to pvp without farming anything.
and don't give me the crap: but someone else earn it!
yea indeed, SOMEONE ELSE. the guy that plexed wouldn't have earned anything.

don't mind me, just a simple subber.
Please Ignore Shocked
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#69 - 2017-03-21 07:05:29 UTC
Well, we knew something like that was going to happen ever since they started hiring people from EA.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2017-03-21 07:09:21 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Well, we knew something like that was going to happen ever since they started hiring people from EA.


jesus i've just seen a forum veteran ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#71 - 2017-03-21 07:48:07 UTC
Sorry, but you are a bit late OP. The whole thing already started over a year ago with SP extractors in the shops. I always predicted they will go further down that road, it was obvious from the start.

Evil RatKid
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#72 - 2017-03-21 07:54:44 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
This. Hopefully, CCP has not forgotten their promise to never go the "Golden Ammo" route we feared they were headed when ARUM and the first iteration of the NES hit TQ. Eve doesn't need another Incarna.

How are SP extractors not golden ammo? They either are or they can get away with everything just because they let you resell it for ISK on the market. It is already too late.

Evil RatKid
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#73 - 2017-03-21 09:01:13 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Well, we knew something like that was going to happen ever since they started hiring people from EA.


jesus i've just seen a forum veteran ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked


I've been accused of being many things during my EVE career, but a forum vet is a first.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#74 - 2017-03-21 09:07:24 UTC
The difference with Eve NOT being P2W is that someone in game has made the isk or items that most of what the store sells. Hence you are only buying someone elses goods for an exchange through CCP, be it SP or isk which can buy other items in game. And for that right you have paid CCP directly, in the case of extractors, or a premium over a regular sub for plex and CCP regularly tosses in some extra swag as bonuses from time to time.

Regular P2W shops just let you buy in game items directly for cash that could be made or produced in game as well or better items that cannot be acquired any other way.


As long as CCP doesnt go the exclusivity route Eve isnt P2W nor ever will be. Its paying a premium to trade items, through isk, between people. And it nets CCP real life cash which keeps our game afloat and developing. So Im more than happy to support it with some reservations of course. Namely the exorbitant prices of goods vs the cash outlay, aka the jeans and monocles fiasco. That they want to make a buck doesnt bother me its just blatant greed that does. Value. Its something that this world seems to be doing away with as I get older. Eve has given me the most value for the money Ive put into it than anything else in my life. So I hope they continue down that pathway instead of the cash cow Zynga/Facebook games route.



That being said the Drifter omni damage ammo is actually a cool idea. Like the geckos really. Just make it do slightly less hps due to the omni nature and give specific resist hole ammo the clear dps advantage and it wouldnt be gold ammo at all but just another ammo type. To pay cash for this convenience might work then. But never be clearly "better" on all fronts.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#75 - 2017-03-21 09:47:33 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
The difference with Eve NOT being P2W is that someone in game has made the isk or items that most of what the store sells. Hence you are only buying someone elses goods for an exchange through CCP, be it SP or isk which can buy other items in game. And for that right you have paid CCP directly, in the case of extractors, or a premium over a regular sub for plex and CCP regularly tosses in some extra swag as bonuses from time to time.

Regular P2W shops just let you buy in game items directly for cash that could be made or produced in game as well or better items that cannot be acquired any other way.


As long as CCP doesnt go the exclusivity route Eve isnt P2W nor ever will be. Its paying a premium to trade items, through isk, between people. And it nets CCP real life cash which keeps our game afloat and developing. So Im more than happy to support it with some reservations of course. Namely the exorbitant prices of goods vs the cash outlay, aka the jeans and monocles fiasco. That they want to make a buck doesnt bother me its just blatant greed that does. Value. Its something that this world seems to be doing away with as I get older. Eve has given me the most value for the money Ive put into it than anything else in my life. So I hope they continue down that pathway instead of the cash cow Zynga/Facebook games route.



That being said the Drifter omni damage ammo is actually a cool idea. Like the geckos really. Just make it do slightly less hps due to the omni nature and give specific resist hole ammo the clear dps advantage and it wouldnt be gold ammo at all but just another ammo type. To pay cash for this convenience might work then. But never be clearly "better" on all fronts.

So basically if they "wash" the RL money the players are investing to purchase in-game advantages by funnelling it trough the ISK market then it is magically no longer Pay2win? Good we talked about it..

Also in my opinion, selling relevant in-game items like the extractor on the store in one of the most expensive subscription games is the very definition of greedy. If I pay 15$ for access to the game each month I expect ALL THE CONTENT for free and yes that includes skins.

Evil RatKid
Vayen Kukkus
#76 - 2017-03-21 10:01:31 UTC
Monocle riots wen?!

DUST 514 FOREVER!!!!
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#77 - 2017-03-21 10:04:56 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

So basically if they "wash" the RL money the players are investing to purchase in-game advantages by funnelling it trough the ISK market then it is magically no longer Pay2win? Good we talked about it..

Also in my opinion, selling relevant in-game items like the extractor on the store in one of the most expensive subscription games is the very definition of greedy. If I pay 15$ for access to the game each month I expect ALL THE CONTENT for free and yes that includes skins.



No they arent washing anything, though you could look at it like laundering. Though laundering is generally between yourself and yourself while this is between players so its more of a willing trade. CCP couldnt sell PLEX if noone bought it from them nor bought it on market for isk. People do so because its to their advantage. I do it because my CAN$ was at parity for a few years with the USD and so I gained a distinct advantage paying in dollars, now I am at high 70s so I work a bit extra in game and PLEX. If real world conditions improved Id return to paid subs. Its just easier. It doesnt mean I cant afford to sub I just like doing it as a psuedo currency exchange value.

I cant really argue about the validity of your statement regarding extractors, but I would argue with the definition of "greedy" there. Yet that argument is purely perspective and semantics and better avoided imo. I dont mind extractors tbh. I have always horded value in SP anyway so it was to my real advantage and doubled my characters relative isk worth when it happened. My theory was that any plex was worth 2mil SP roughly and the worth of the SP was worth more than the relative price increase of plex in isk amounts. This theory proved to be a valuable investment in the long run and insulated me from plex price movements over the years as an SP hedge. Think gold or property, where gold is PLEX and SP was property or land. It had the distinct advantage of not being able to be stolen, lost or even hacked. So that was a real boon.Blink

I think you are simply being a Debbie Downer here and going paranoid ebil ebil CCP. And I hope you arent right. We shall see in time and until then I shall enjoy the game I play.Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#78 - 2017-03-21 10:09:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
I think they should add more things that could expand your experience in CQ. Additional rooms, multiplayer lobbies, bars, animation packages, pets, dance halls, corporation offices, additional balcony with different view, game tables..

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Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#79 - 2017-03-21 10:19:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregorius Goldstein
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

So basically if they "wash" the RL money the players are investing to purchase in-game advantages by funnelling it trough the ISK market then it is magically no longer Pay2win? Good we talked about it..


I didn't get that logic either. It's like that "EVE has no PayToWin because you can't buy experience and practice" legend.
(While true in some cases, you can buy a ton of advantages in others.)
Kathern Aurilen
#80 - 2017-03-21 11:24:00 UTC
Pixel Piracy wrote:
.That being said cosmetic micro-transactions are perfectly acceptable. Perhaps premium hull variants for existing ships (no stat changes, just variations on the hull design)? Find a way to make the captains quarters actually interesting by making it up-gradable with certain items and furnishings that can be purchased - granted this would also necessitate giving people a reason to actually use the captains quarters, something I can't really provide an answer to short of bringing up the walking-in-stations argument again. Or perhaps you could have the ability to visit someone's quarters per invitation?

I don't think I have used the captains quarters since the second day in game 3years ago. It's kinda neat but useless, and so much quicker to just use the buttons.

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