Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Been suggested several times before.

Some people like the idea, others don't and if this thread gets much discussion, the arguments for and against will probably appear all over again.

First question, why?

Second question, why are you trying to eliminate small Corps/solo players from being able to wage war against their legitimate enemies?

You mean like "make high-sec great again"?

I'm for structure based decs. Check the link in my sig.

Ralph knows his stuff as well. One thing I'll add though, ccp have made it pretty hard to conduct an effective war. The biggest hope left is that observatory arrays give players the tools to hunt other players. And if they do, then defenders can shoot those tools and take them away.

I wish this happened.


On the wardec end, I think a better approach than proposing a structure for an attacker, is to make being in a Corp worth more.

That is, proposing a structure for attackers is a view that if attackers have something to attack, defenders will attack it. But that's only going to be true for defenders that are already willing to fight.

It isn't going to encourage many in highsec because from a "what's in it for me" perspective, there is still not much reason to fight. It's no better than just dropping Corp, staying docked or not logging in for a week.

So wardec Corps will get bigger and will attacker much smaller Corps that are the ones who already whine; and the whining will just get worse.

However, if being in a Corp provided more benefit to its members, then there might be reasons to defend.

I don't know how to express this properly, but maybe it's via standings or something similar, but being in a Corp should offer more than just lower tax and an ability to own structures. If a Corp has good standings with an NPC Corp, that NPC Corp should offer something similar to an IHub, or something else that increases the ability of that Corp to improve it's income. Then don't have wardeccers declare against the player Corp, but against the NPC Corps and all Corps with standings are 'enlisted' to defend. Those that defend increase their standings and get more benefit. Those that don't, lose standing.

That's a really crap outline and really abusable in the way it is written there, but I just think incentivising with benefits is better than incentivising with the ability to go hit someone else, because some people in the game are reluctant to hit others, at least unless they can see a real benefit for them, even if they lose a fight.

These nullsec ratters are pretty good! You should try some!

Nom nom nom....

No really, if any ONE of the following changes happened:
No use of Neutral Logi.
Cynos Allowed in HS (no capitals though).
Micro-Jump fields allowed.


I'd say all wars should be free of ISK charge, and there would be zero things wrong with them.

I'd have more sympathy on the intel issue, but theoretically, if you are willing to declare WAR, you should have a fair idea where and when the corporation operates.

Okay. How's this. Provided the erratum of the previous post (i.e. deccers either lose the neutral logi toy or the two fun toys of cynos/MJDs enter the Hisec, or all three), rats tip you off to their location. Yeah. I'm serious. Rats.

Jolly Bearsworth is chillin in a backwater system running missions. Too bad for Jolly, those Serpentis called in some real back up - Wardeccers! I think it should be possible to hide, sure, but I think any sort of resource harvesting (ratting/mining) should play into the chances to be 'seen', given the EvE universe. NPC mining ops if not just belt rats could thus scout miners - I mean if Vic Veldspar is taking their rocks, why shouldn't they try and find his enemies to rectify the situation?

So yes, *if* real risk was introduced via the said mechanisms, I'd be happy with rats baphoning wardeccers, since clearly the watchlist had to go. Don't want to be seen, don't harvest resources, risk and reward.

oh hay khan, sorry i missed this post mate.
you mean sort of like this

Cynos might just make it too difficult for many defenders.

Since the only requirement to light a cyno is to be in a fleet, any neutral scout could be in system and a defender would have no way to know that they are about to be attacked. There is no warning available to them.

So while cynos would in theory be great for pvp oriented defenders, who could spring a trap, they would be even better for wardeccers, who could use the same tactic against any defender they see.

I think, the end result would be attackers would just stay docked until they have a target available, so they couldn't be hotdropped themselves; and then they would just undock to jump, kill their target and then cloak/jump back.

With tethering providing perfect safety, the wardeccers would be even harder to engage than they are now; and with passive targetters and ship scanners, they'd know in advance whether they are jumping into a trap, or an easy kill.

At the moment, defenders who want to keep playing in highsec, but stay in Corp can manage the risk by moving away from trade hubs and routes and watching local or having scouts in adjacent systems. Cynos make it much harder to keep playing for Corps that are highsec based.

Hi everyone,

first of concerning my choice of the topic's name I think it did, what it was supposed to do quite nicely(which was triggering people or getting them interested to my proposal).

Now that being said, why I propsed the idea was that me as a wormhole dweller doesn't really care about k-space all too much but even I have to leave my hole eventually and not being able to access trade hubs is a pain in the ass. I know this all sounds whiny and I admit it is, but there still is a deeper underlying problem to war-decks. I don't think we will solve this problem in this topic here but besides 'ganking' people legally in high-sec there isn't much to get out of high-sec wardecks atm. So it basically just is a nuisance to every player who gets wardecked, but essentially we all want to have fun in this game, which means that there should be some sort of way to deal with war-decks. And the general idea was, that in theory if an alliance thinks they could perma war-deck like 500 corp/alliances at the same time, these alliances could form a fleet to destroy there war module and the war would end right on the spot. The thing is everything we'll be discussing here is just in theory so we won't know for certain how people will behave unless some changes are made. I'm happy to have gotten some knew perspectives on this topic which I wasn't able to see before starting this post.
So thx for everyone's thoughts so far o7

NPC's should definitely respond if you get attacked and you are in really good standing with them unless both of you are in good standing. The equivalent of 'You're my buddy, so I'll back you vs this guy' and 'Erm... you're both my friends... so who do I back?' respectively.

Of course, then ppl would form wardec corps with high standings with NPC's and we'd have a bigger problem as ppl who don't have good NPC standings would whine even more. Perhaps make starting wardecs lower your standing with NPC's in the area, while defending would raise them? (Invert this for pirates ofc)