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The top five boats in need of a buff
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Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-01-21 03:09:14 UTC
EOS could be fixed by 1. Having the link that boosts sensor strength also boost optimal/falloff, tracking, lock time and lock range. Also give it a 125m drone bay/bandwidth and normal drone bonuses. The EOS is the way it is because back in the day it could be a real bear with 5 heavy drones. The new BCs put something on the field that can has the firepower to defeat the things tank. EOS should be what the Myrm once was.
Spineker
#42 - 2012-01-21 05:45:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
Eagle and Eos need love like no other two ships in the game. Guess CCP is too busy nerfing things on the word of alliances CMs.

Maybe if you balanced things instead of nerfing we would be better off.

ECM drones are far MORE Balanced than the drake, we need to hide our heads in the sand over those little guys and play nerfbat.
shlakkk
Drama Llamas
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#43 - 2012-01-21 07:43:58 UTC
some of the ships in this thread that people are calling for to be buffed are just laughable. hyperion? ishtar? really?

yeah lets buff the 1800dps hyp,

and the hac with some of the best dps and tank. and that can camp bubbles/gates with sentries while being 100km+ away...

ok before giving my list of ships that need buffing, take into account my veiw on this topic.

NOT ALL SHIPS SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIT THE SAME COOKIE CUTTER TANK,SPANK,POINT,PROP FIT. some should rightly have to make sacrifices, like trying to fit a prop mod onto an active mael is always gonna end badly. every ship shouldn't be able to just do everything well or you get the drake. (which is being changed to make it more specialised.)

try some of the boats that actually need it. eg

eagle, get rid of the hac bonus to optimal. give bonus too.... dunno lol maybe rof?

navy osprey is just lolfail might just have to leave that one. even if it gets buffed no one would use it

Ballence the 3 other bops to redeemer levels, basically just give panther and widow more grid, not sure on the sin, and the sin, panth need 1 more turret each and widow might need another launcher.
these ships already offer a very specialised role so buffing them does seem slightly besides the point.
warping cloaked would be completely imba and anyone saying so should have their intel buffed.

eos - try giving it 5 heavys and giving drone dmg bonus in place of hybrid bonus, and -1 high and turret slot. MUST KEEP EWAR LINK BONUS.

i honestly cant think of any other ships that seriously need buffing. ppl need to keep in perspective that if you buff say a teir 1 bc it makes the tier 2 less worth paying the extra money for. if you fit it right, a cyclone is not too dissimilar to a cane. and much cheaper. so the cane needs to be bettar to make it worth the isk.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#44 - 2012-01-21 07:49:25 UTC
shlakkk wrote:
navy osprey is just lolfail might just have to leave that one. even if it gets buffed no one would use it


Rip out launcher slots, put in ~5 turret slots, give it bonuses to medium hybrid damage and/or optimal and medium hybrid falloff.

Hey, the Gallente have some railgun boats, why shouldn't the Caldari be allowed to play with blasters? And putting them on their "fastest cruiser" would make some sense.
shlakkk
Drama Llamas
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#45 - 2012-01-21 07:55:09 UTC
King Rothgar wrote:
1) Sin: 5% agility bonus changed to something else (anything is better than that, even cargo capacity). +100% HP, addition of combat recon level resists, 50% more jump drive range.

2) Panther: +1 turret, +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range.

3) Redeemer: +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range.

4) Widow: +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range.

5) Retribution: utility high slot moved to midslot.


the AF are getting buffed to insane levels anyway, forget retri

your proposed changes to bops make them lolwtfsolopwnmobiles. 100% increase to hp and TII resists? redeemer can already hit 100kehp now. why do you want it to have 250kehp and 1k+dps and a jump drive and no targeting delay after decloaking and a covert jump portal generator.

you sir, are a tool.
shlakkk
Drama Llamas
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#46 - 2012-01-21 07:57:53 UTC
Exploited Engineer wrote:
shlakkk wrote:
navy osprey is just lolfail might just have to leave that one. even if it gets buffed no one would use it


Rip out launcher slots, put in ~5 turret slots, give it bonuses to medium hybrid damage and/or optimal and medium hybrid falloff.

Hey, the Gallente have some railgun boats, why shouldn't the Caldari be allowed to play with blasters? And putting them on their "fastest cruiser" would make some sense.



that would be perfect. not op, just good

but no one would use over a navy vexor...

u see why i cant really see any hope for it?
Slightly Mental
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-01-21 19:33:52 UTC
no rohk love :(
Khrage
#48 - 2012-01-21 23:54:15 UTC
Slightly Mental wrote:
no rohk love :(


it's fine. esspecially in context of this thread asking for the top five. so many other ships that need help 1000 times more than the rokh.
Ehn Roh
#49 - 2012-01-22 02:22:25 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Any list that doesn't have the Navy Osprey on it is by definition incomplete. Go and try make a Nosprey fit that makes sense, I dare you.


"The fastest Caldari cruiser in existence"

Hey, but it's "fast" right? How can you go wrong? Ugh



I think a lot of the "bad" ships among the vanilla T1 boats is a matter of people trying to use them for things they aren't really intended for. Seems the "lol-bad" ships really seem to start when you get into T2 hulls.

I would suggest that most of the bigger problems are coming from mechanics and modules, not ship hulls.
Brutor Slavechild 1039248223
#50 - 2012-01-22 02:41:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Brutor Slavechild 1039248223
Anything that is meant to use med rails or cruise missiles is p. much garbage.

Eagle is probable the most embarassingly awful t2 ship in the game with absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I think caldari have a leg up on most other races in this regard. Their gunships have a rare gem or two with certain fits, but on the whole they're now mediocre (up from embarassment pre-hybrid-buff). The missile ships have some outright awsome hulls, but more of them are underused for various reasons, missile sniping being a non-role is probably cheif among them.

I almost feel bad for ecm wh0res out there. Blatantly too good in small gangs, but I have no idea how ccp will come up with a balanced fix. Chances are good if the falcon and rook get taken off the awsome list caldari are going to fly drakes even more. As a life-long minmatar pilot, I would be seriously pissed off if the only viable ship to fly was the hurricane. Much as I love the hurricane, I need to fly other things every now and then, and it is far more flexible than the drake.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#51 - 2012-01-22 04:36:17 UTC
The Falcon and Rook will look a little less OP when damps get buffed. Right now, for example, you need a minimum of two damps to knock out the targeting on ONE ship, with a Lachesis. Falcon can permajam most ships with ease with one jam each. If the SD buff goes the way I hope, you may be able to address this imbalance via having Lachesis' which can knock 75% off with one damp (turning a 110km Tengu range into 25km).

This talk of the Panther et al. being crap will inevitably get the BLOPs prosufs saying "lul lrn 2 BLOPs". I agree to some extent, that skill is needed, but I don't think doubling EHP alone will make these ships useful - it will just see more being killed because the people using them can't do the tactics of BLOPs hotdrops properly. I don't agree that flying cloaky would be OP at the moment, the way their DPS, EHP, etc runs. T3's can do this and fit much more in the way of EWAR (24km webs, etc). I won't cry if they don't change this.

People mentioning the Cyclone as a crap ship need their heads inspected.

Same with the Execquror. This is a viable logi cruiser for cheapfit gangs and nubs.

My top 5:
Eagle
Augoror
Sin (because its woeful)
Eos
T1 frigs, T1 cruisers, EWAR frigs and Lachesis

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Todd Jaeger
Mayhem and Destruction
#52 - 2012-01-22 13:16:34 UTC
Naradius wrote:
Phantasm

It looks cool in the hanger, but suffered big time with the Sansha nerf - terrible HP and no cap.

Ishtar

I don't know...whatever I try or do with it, I can always find something better to use for PvP...makes me a sad bunny. Never recovered from the nano nerf.

Eos

I agree with previous posts. Info links suck, so as a Cpmmand Ship the Eos sucks.

Deimos

What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!

Only 4?...hmmm, ok - most Caldari hybrid/rail platforms need some kind of buff.



i agree,phantasm is almost useless unless you want to shoot a single frigate a a time,ishtar is pretty hardcore in the hand of a pro,not know much about eos,and deimos is one of the toughest hacs in the hand of a pro.

coercer needs buff (a mid slot to be precise)
DooDoo Gum
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-01-25 04:19:20 UTC
The widow needs an isk cost buff
Brynhilda
Chimp Hoons Export and Expo Service
Scary Wormhole People
#54 - 2012-01-25 19:56:32 UTC
No mention of the Phantasm?

How may I drug you with drugs?
Hijeri
Interstellar Manufacturing of Gravity Aided Yields
#55 - 2012-01-26 13:27:02 UTC
Drake, Hurricane.
Izziee
University of Izziee
#56 - 2012-01-26 14:05:40 UTC
By far the dominix is the most useless.

It's so freaking ugly I can't bring myself to use it. I tried, oh how I tried to pretend it's like one of those ugly girls that make you happy, so you take her out in private so no one can see you, but the thing is, people do see me in it, so I dumped her, she sits in my bay crying that I don't play with her anymore. I've tried to make her diet but alas, nothing.

To me, it's the most useless because it just sits there. All lumpy like.

Now, if she got a make over, she'd be the best damn thing in the Universe, but until then, she's just another embarrassing body I don't wish to be seen with.
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