EVE General Discussion

I would change low-sec like that:
- Get rid of sec status in low, it is just a nuisance. Gate and stations guns would get obsolete that way too.
- Ban capitals and make it a glorious battlefield for battleship fleets.

Yeah... no. Maybe you can try to come up with a suggestion for improving low-sec that doesn't involve gutting high-sec...

High Sec is the problem and you can't get high sec people to understand that no matter what you do. Recent history is proof.

In the past we've had discussions here about how unbalanced high sec incursions where. I saw it 1st hand, I'd fly with ISN (Incursion Shiney Network) can at peak cloak a good 180 isk per hour not even counting CONCORD LP flying a machariel. That same Mach struggled to make half as much per hour in null except on the very rare occasion that a null incursion was nearby, and not even then because you have to clear null incursions quickly because they become strategic headaches, no farming like in high sec.

Back then you seriously needed to rat in a super carrier to match what you could do in sub caps in high sec incursions. A Carrier back then struggled to break 150 mil per hour.

The usual high sec partisans jumped in with all manner of nonsense defenses of a measurable and noticeable flaw in the game, but one of them stuck at as more nonsense than the other:

"If the problem is low income in null sec, JUST BUFF NULL!!!, Leave Brittany high sec alone"!!!!

We tried to explain to these...people... that buffing null sec income would be bad for ALL of us, null sec income comes from anomalies that spew liquid isk and from mining ores not found in great supply in other places. Buffing null would hurt everyone everywhere else. No, the problem is high sec, fix high sec.

CCP ignored this. They changed carriers and super carriers in ways that inadvertently turned them into anomaly clearing monsters, and the buffed the Rorqual to an insane degree. That also upped the escalation chances from anomalies that had the affect of increasing the supply of dead space gear and blueprints.

In short, they took the High Seccers advice and "just buffed null".......

Very shortly the ill affects made themselves clear. Because or Rorqs, high sec mining became damn near useless. Cheap deadspace battleships filled the skies of high sec and the rest of new eden while the high sec tech1 BS builder goes broke. Some Deadpsace gear is cheaper than tech2. When high sec anom runners get escalations they are sometimes like "why bother, the loot is trash now" etc etc.


We tried hard to explain to the high sec folks that this would happen, tried to explain to them that a buff to null would hurt THEM worse than a nerf to high would. But they were too short sighted.

Don't be short sighted like them. Low sec's chief problem is that there really is no pressing financial/pecuniary reason to leave high sec once you can run lvl 4 missions or fly a beginner level incursion boat like a Maelstrom or Megathron or follow the Burner Mission Plan. That means that ONLY the more adventurous players leave, but it should be the adventurous AND the greedy. Fix that and you go a long way towards fixing low sec....and null.

Low-sec is the problem, and trying to deflect the issues with low-sec by blaming high-sec and null-sec is just a cop-out. As I've previously stated, I have no problems with L4s and Incursions being relocated to low-sec - provided CONCORD comes along for the ride in ALL low-sec systems. Otherwise it's totally a deal breaker.

So.. you want lowsec to be hisec?

The whole game is borderline crippled by the effort to fun ratio you get in PVP. The saving grace is that we have some people who will do the hard work for many to benefit but even then, people often would rather hell dunk than fight which mean the other side has a rather large reason no GTFO and not engage because let's face it, getting hell dunked isn't all that much fun.

I disagree in the sense that I enjoy having a bubble-less PVP space that low-sec provides.

I particularly enjoy it combined with FW mechanics (regardless of if I'm flying a FW toon or not).

It does not. It's literally a nerf to HS. The entire proposal is that nerfing HS would amke low/null more worthwhile because right now, the only real "offering" of low sec is PvP without CONCORD and bubbles and from what most player seem to report, that offering is not popular.

I guess I'm confused then as to what it is you're suggesting...

Im suggesting learning from the recent past. I am not a game designer, I offer no 'plans' because that would be stupid.

And I'm pointing out how short sighted the high sec partisans on this board can be, many of whom ARE miners and builders and who did exactly get screwed when CCP did as they suggested which was to "buff null" instead of fixing the actual problem (High Sec).