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Amojin
Doomheim
#221 - 2017-03-09 23:20:12 UTC
Quinn Hatfield wrote:
Amojin wrote:
Fine, Cade. What in my 'original' post are you whining about? I didn't make this thread...
No you didn't, but you certainly appear to be trying to drive it off topic.

Driving things off topic seems to be a recurring theme for you.


Aaron made this thread in the spirit of William Shatner's words to Leonord Nimoy, in 'Mirror, Mirror,' of TOS.

Kirk said, 'In every revolution, there is one man, with a vision,' and it goes on from there.

Now, I admit that Kirk is only above Archer and Picard in my estimation, but as an actor, Shatner... Well, whatever. It doesn;t even matter. Aaron was advocating an ad-hoc organization.

Not a rigid corporation. I have called Aaron a skilled hobbyist. And hell, he is! Compared to Avery Brooks or Kate Mulgrew, or even William Shatner, the guy is like me - he's trying to set something up in a game, paying homage to the real thing.

Far from disrespecting them, he's paying the ultimate compliment, since that's what emulation is considered. Off topic? Since when? When there's a topic this loose?
Cade Windstalker
#222 - 2017-03-10 00:06:44 UTC
Amojin wrote:
Quinn Hatfield wrote:
Amojin wrote:
Fine, Cade. What in my 'original' post are you whining about? I didn't make this thread...
No you didn't, but you certainly appear to be trying to drive it off topic.

Driving things off topic seems to be a recurring theme for you.


Aaron made this thread in the spirit of William Shatner's words to Leonord Nimoy, in 'Mirror, Mirror,' of TOS.

Kirk said, 'In every revolution, there is one man, with a vision,' and it goes on from there.

Now, I admit that Kirk is only above Archer and Picard in my estimation, but as an actor, Shatner... Well, whatever. It doesn;t even matter. Aaron was advocating an ad-hoc organization.

Not a rigid corporation. I have called Aaron a skilled hobbyist. And hell, he is! Compared to Avery Brooks or Kate Mulgrew, or even William Shatner, the guy is like me - he's trying to set something up in a game, paying homage to the real thing.

Far from disrespecting them, he's paying the ultimate compliment, since that's what emulation is considered. Off topic? Since when? When there's a topic this loose?


You are literally proving Quinn's point here.

Absolutely none of this is on-topic, even the first sentence is your own musings and not actually related to the original topic for the thread.

Actually I take that back, this one sentence is vaguely on-topic:

Quote:
Aaron was advocating an ad-hoc organization.


But it means nothing by itself and would almost qualify as spam on its own.

If you want to discuss real life topics there's a forum for that, this is not it.
Amojin
Doomheim
#223 - 2017-03-10 00:19:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Amojin
I am amazed with the dichotomy many of you present me with, day to day, Cade. You are completely without knowledge of history, and thus repeating it's mistakes. You are completely ignorant of sociology, theology, philosophy, logic, or archaeology, but you know this one little thing. In every one of you this little thing may differ, but you remembered it, because of confirmation bias, because it makes you look right, but that's all you seem to know.

Fascinating.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#224 - 2017-03-10 00:29:13 UTC
This is a whole new level of EVE is real.

Can you tell us the history of the next 20,000 years leading up to when the game is set? This should be fascinating.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#225 - 2017-03-10 00:31:38 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
This is a whole new level of EVE is real.

Can you tell us the history of the next 20,000 years leading up to when the game is set? This should be fascinating.
This should be amusing, he's no Heinlein.


In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Amojin
Doomheim
#226 - 2017-03-10 00:32:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Amojin
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
This is a whole new level of EVE is real.

Can you tell us the history of the next 20,000 years leading up to when the game is set? This should be fascinating.


With Moses, I will ask, I am in God's stead, that you ask me? Is it my fault this **** happens? Did I spawn this great mass, am I their father?

Just because I am not God and more weak than Moses was, does not make, in reverse, your ciaims, true. The man was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, the highest phd of the time, and ended up spending 40 years in the desert. Why?

Because education is worth jack ****, if you don't know what to do with it. It's better to be GOOD than smart. It takes smart people a long time to figure that out, at times.
Quinn Hatfield
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#227 - 2017-03-10 00:34:15 UTC
Theology belongs in the RP forums, the Amarr loyalists will quite happily discuss it with you, while ripping you a new one.

I don't burn bridges, I merely steal a bolt a day.
Amojin
Doomheim
#228 - 2017-03-10 00:35:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Amojin
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
This is a whole new level of EVE is real.

Can you tell us the history of the next 20,000 years leading up to when the game is set? This should be fascinating.
This should be amusing, he's no Heinlein.




I should hope not. I'll take Asimov, any day of the week. What do you think of Heinlein that's so great, and please don't say starship troopers if you mean the movie. It didn't even attempt to follow the book.

I'll take Ender's Game, any day of the week.

Oh, but we can't have that, because Ender wasn't really happy with the evil **** you tricked him into doing, right?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#229 - 2017-03-10 00:48:16 UTC
Amojin wrote:
I should hope not. I'll take Asimov, any day of the week. What do you think of Heinlein that's so great, and please don't say starship troppers if you mean the movie. It didn't even attempt to follow the book.

I'll take Ender's Game, any day of the week.

Oh, but we can't have that, because Ender wasn't really happy with the evil **** you tricked him into doing, right?
You missed the reference. Future history is a literary device most famously used by Robert A Heinlein.



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Amojin
Doomheim
#230 - 2017-03-10 00:53:13 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Amojin wrote:
I should hope not. I'll take Asimov, any day of the week. What do you think of Heinlein that's so great, and please don't say starship troppers if you mean the movie. It didn't even attempt to follow the book.

I'll take Ender's Game, any day of the week.

Oh, but we can't have that, because Ender wasn't really happy with the evil **** you tricked him into doing, right?
You missed the reference. Future history is a literary device most famously used by Robert A Heinlein.





I definitely missed it. Isaac Asimov was, so far as I know, with a triliogy, and a couple prequels and sequels, the absolute master of what he called 'psychohisotry.'

Atop all that, unlike Heinlein the man wrote non-fiction, as well, quite a few volumes, actually. I'm not sure they see use, today, but they're there.

Orson Scott Card's 'Ender' series much more is appropriate, if you want to attack me. Yeah, I've done a lot of terrible ****. So did Ender. If you want to hit me with something literarily relevant...

When Ender beat down Bonzo in the shower... I get it. I understand what he remembered, and how terrible it was, and why he didn't want to do it. I understand WHY he did it, and I have done similar things.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#231 - 2017-03-10 01:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Amojin wrote:
I definitely missed it. Isaac Asimov was, so far as I know, with a triliogy, and a couple prequels and sequels, the absolute master of what he called 'psychohisotry.'
The phrase future history was coined in an article about Heinlein's books. It predates the short stories that became the Foundation series by a few years.

Quote:
Atop all that, unlike Heinlein the man wrote non-fiction, as well, quite a few volumes, actually. I'm not sure they see use, today, but they're there.
You're wrong about Heinlein not writing non fiction texts, he wrote several; some of them in-depth technical articles.

Quote:
random tangent in an attempt to go off topic
You're proving the point made earlier, you drive stuff off topic by going off on unrelated subjects; on top of which you're a self confessed troll.

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Amojin
Doomheim
#232 - 2017-03-10 01:26:28 UTC
I'm not willing to have this fight. I yield.
Cade Windstalker
#233 - 2017-03-10 02:26:46 UTC
Oh thank ****, does that mean this thread can get back on something vaguely related to the topic it was originally intended for?

Also, please, Amojin. Get over yourself.

Your ego is big enough it qualifies as a valid Doomsday target.
Amojin
Doomheim
#234 - 2017-03-10 02:30:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Amojin
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Oh thank ****, does that mean this thread can get back on something vaguely related to the topic it was originally intended for?

Also, please, Amojin. Get over yourself.

Your ego is big enough it qualifies as a valid Doomsday target.


I don't give a ****, cade. I didn't give a **** when I had an entire cadre of drill sergeants yelling at me, and I didn't give a **** when I disagreed with professors in college. I don't give a ****.

Know why we're around so long? Because we don't give in to the world's crap, and we have little kids that we raise just so, and they are made strong and wise, and they don't give into the crap your little buttercups are gonna be spoutin', either.

In an ever-chagning world, Christians are a baseline. Stuff it and go on about your business.
Cade Windstalker
#235 - 2017-03-10 02:36:27 UTC
Amojin wrote:
I don't give a ****, cade. I didn't give a **** when I had an entire cadre of drill sergeants yelling at me, and I didn't give a **** when I disagreed with professors in college. I don't give a ****.

Know why we're around so long? Because we don't give in to the world's crap, and we have little kids that we raise just so, and they are made strong and wise, and they don't give into the crap your little buttercups are gonna be spoutin', either.


*snerk*

Wow you are amazingly narrow minded. Open your world view instead of just calling everyone who disagrees with you or knows something you don't ignorant or an idiot. You remind me of a college freshman whose gotten a little bit of knowledge and thinks they can extrapolate everything themselves.

Now you're running into things you don't actually know or understand but your ego won't let you admit you're wrong, so you're flailing about, deflecting, and hiding being a bunch of bluster and arrogant behavior.

It was sad when I did it, it was sad when people I knew did it, and if you're even half the age you imply you are on here it's really sad when you do it.

Grow up.
Amojin
Doomheim
#236 - 2017-03-10 02:38:29 UTC
It's nice to be open-minded, until your brain falls out.

No, I'm not gonna be that open-minded, Cade. Science FACT, LAWS of physics and other hard sciences? We'll be happy to beat the ever'lovin'crap out of you with that.

But you always have a way of trying to introduce theories, as if they mean anything...
Cade Windstalker
#237 - 2017-03-10 02:45:41 UTC
Amojin wrote:
It's nice to be open-minded, until your brain falls out.

No, I'm not gonna be that open-minded, Cade. Science FACT, LAWS of physics and other hard sciences? We'll be happy to beat the ever'lovin'crap out of you with that.

But you always have a way of trying to introduce theories, as if they mean anything...


Right, because facts have been working so very well for you around here... Lol

Also, lets see, just for a start. You've done nothing but deflect when someone calls out how wrong something you've said is. Every time actual facts come into the conversation you seem to have something pretty fundamental wrong, and your entire issue with this game and the people in it seems to be based on a self-constructed world view based on nothing more than your own feeling about how the majority of people think and act...

What, remotely, about all of that is scientific?

You've constructed a self-reinforcing inward facing perspective on life, and you're lashing out at anyone who disagrees with you.

Still no facts, just one man and his view of the world, looking out through a narrow little peephole and hating what he sees.
Conrad Makbure
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#238 - 2017-03-10 02:47:17 UTC
Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Sorry I'm off on a bit of a ramble.

I think the issue with the current wardec mechanic is the way we perceive it. If lots of people left their corps and went NPC this might not be a bad thing.

I will be taking fleets out to low sec for PVP, it will be promoted to the community and I would promote other FC's to do the same thing. If we can get lots of groups going to low sec for pvp then the hi sec corp who war decs 200 corps concurrently will have to comply and come to low sec for pvp. I know this is long winded, I'm just trying to think outside of the box and analyse mechanics that we can use to our advantage.

You're right when you say the problem is all in perception. It's nowhere near as pervasive as you claim, and it actually needs to be deregulated by a large amount before it could be called healthy again. But I digress.

Let me raise you a third option: make a confederation (not alliance) of solo corps around a system of chat channels, mailing lists, and maybe freeport citadels.
Make a text art logo and prominently display it in your members' bios. There is an ice mining group based out of Seil that does that and it's apparently it's the best defense against wardecs, awox, and corp theft that there is.
They have community, identity, and plenty of fun while being functionally immune to wardecs and taxes.

You don't have to stay in npc corp to dodge wardecs. 50m per person to wardec isn't feasible for any high sec merc or wardeccing group. Especially when you can roll corp the next day.



Not sure if this has been done in the past, but this third option is a better idea and I'd like to add a third party discussion forum too. I think some people who are interested in the OP want to avoid NPC corps because of the high tax.
Amojin
Doomheim
#239 - 2017-03-10 02:51:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Amojin
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Amojin wrote:
It's nice to be open-minded, until your brain falls out.

No, I'm not gonna be that open-minded, Cade. Science FACT, LAWS of physics and other hard sciences? We'll be happy to beat the ever'lovin'crap out of you with that.

But you always have a way of trying to introduce theories, as if they mean anything...


Right, because facts have been working so very well for you around here... Lol

Also, lets see, just for a start. You've done nothing but deflect when someone calls out how wrong something you've said is.


About this game? This game means precisely jack-**** to me, Cade. It's a game. I find it entertaining, but involved like many of you are? Hells no.

As far as me not admitting when I was wrong? That is a bald-faced flat out lie. I've been wrong about fittings, about strategies, abot a ton of things in this game, and I've said so. I've even admitted that I have no idea, at all, how to run a corp here.

All I said is that you're too paranoid with those api-keys, and good grief, 12,000 members? You're way too fat too move around, paraphrased. The human mind does not comprehend 12k.

You can, reasonably, maintain meaningful and effective contact with 200. That's a biological limit.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#240 - 2017-03-10 02:58:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Conrad Makbure wrote:
Not sure if this has been done in the past, but this third option is a better idea and I'd like to add a third party discussion forum too. I think some people who are interested in the OP want to avoid NPC corps because of the high tax.

It will be interesting at Fanfest in a month, where hopefully CCP outline more about the new chat capabilities that appeared briefly on eve updates last week.

Since that is supposed to be able to work when the server is not online, it looks like it will work out of game; in which case, hopefully it is similar in function to slack or discord.

If it is, then the idea of Aaron and even for other social groups in EVE will be a lot easier to implement. No need for use of the in game channels only. Use the new chat capabilities coming and form groups that anyone can join, no matter what Corp they are in.

It seems like the kind of thing that can go a long way to implementing the 'social corp' discussed a couple of years ago.

That of course, is a lot of speculation. just hoping that's the way it turns out since CCP are pretty heavy users of slack, so hopefully their new chat feature borrows ideas from there.