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So...what happened to walking in stations? Bars etc
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#121 - 2017-03-09 23:22:50 UTC
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Hun Tra
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#122 - 2017-03-09 23:25:08 UTC
I'm not gonna be sad if WiS will never come to EVE but would be fun to go to the station bar and play some poker for ISK.

It's fluff. I like fluff in games, but it's still just.. Fluff.
Unnecessary? Yea. Fun? Could be.

im so bad at this game
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#123 - 2017-03-09 23:38:04 UTC
Yes, then we can get into the whole issue of gambling and casinos again...

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#124 - 2017-03-09 23:44:02 UTC
Did i reply to this thread already? Hmm guess not. TL;DR

A few things. 1) Star Citizen is NEVER coming out. And even if it does, it will crash and burn just like every other 'eve killer' And its irrelevant to the current thread. But its not coming.

2) The summer of rage was not about incarnia. Incarnia just took the brunt of the anger. For thous of you who don;t remember, which seems to be bloody everyone on this stupid topic, the summer of rage was the culmination of 4 factors, each on there own would of been shrug able, but they combined to create a cluster **** of rage.

a) 18 months of dev time spent on a single room (incarnia) that was badly coded and caused video cards to burn out.
b) Micro Transactions that were not micro
c) eve in a state of utter brokenness and ccp on the quest for new shiney while ignoring the growing mess they made form previous shiney.
d) Greed is good memo.

All of these hitting at the same time is what caused the backlash. It painted CCP as a money grubbing corporation that no longer gave a crap about eve and was just milking it for every cent it had left. Instead of CCP being in a position to laugh off a **** up of theres, things got worse. Ambulation, the really cool WIS demo was scraped for crap. That crap was poorly done and was used as a cash grab.

ATM WiS is dead. Can that change? Maybe. But ever still has a **** ton of stuff to fix first. And i personally, though i want wis, am fine with the way things are working towards fixing crap.

and again, Scam Citizen is NEVER coming out

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#125 - 2017-03-09 23:54:08 UTC
DaReaper wrote:


and again, Scam Citizen is NEVER coming out



Yes it is. I gave them like $50, that's all they need... More seriously, 2.6.1 is actually making me hopeful.

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ATM WiS is dead. Can that change? Maybe


How many times does C.....


Never mind, no one ever answers that question, it's like confronting a hard truth about a spaghetti coded video game and it's maker's limitations is hard.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2017-03-10 00:59:21 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Did i reply to this thread already? Hmm guess not. TL;DR

2) The summer of rage was not about incarnia. Incarnia just took the brunt of the anger. For thous of you who don;t remember, which seems to be bloody everyone on this stupid topic, the summer of rage was the culmination of 4 factors, each on there own would of been shrug able, but they combined to create a cluster **** of rage.

a) 18 months of dev time spent on a single room (incarnia) that was badly coded and caused video cards to burn out.
b) Micro Transactions that were not micro
c) eve in a state of utter brokenness and ccp on the quest for new shiney while ignoring the growing mess they made form previous shiney.
d) Greed is good memo.

All of these hitting at the same time is what caused the backlash. It painted CCP as a money grubbing corporation that no longer gave a crap about eve and was just milking it for every cent it had left. Instead of CCP being in a position to laugh off a **** up of theres, things got worse. Ambulation, the really cool WIS demo was scraped for crap. That crap was poorly done and was used as a cash grab.

DaReaper,

I agree with you but it was a lot more than just 4 different things which ignited the infamous 'Summer Of Rage' which I explained earlier in this thread.


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Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#127 - 2017-03-10 01:07:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Milla Goodpussy
this is what ccp does about WiS

they decide to put advertisments the owner has no control over which then advertises other groups and corps without no means of moderation what so ever..


and i cry foul and a complete unfair advantage that im seeing a fawking CSM advertisement in all stations across the game..compared to having to even look for candidates post around


ccp is way too biased... Steve i like you a lot but you've just lost my fawking vote for that. EVERY SINGLE PERSON THATS TRYING TO BE ON THE CSM SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN ADVERTISMENTS!.. NOT JUST ONE!... GTFOHWTHBS!
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#128 - 2017-03-10 01:14:01 UTC
No, that's BiS (Billboards in Stations). Seriously, if the holographic billboards bother you that much you should stop playing...

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Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#129 - 2017-03-10 01:25:32 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
No, that's BiS (Billboards in Stations). Seriously, if the holographic billboards bother you that much you should stop playing...



its also on citadels which the owner should have complete total control over what content is displayed.. which ccp seems to enjoy controlling .. this is a terrible idea.. i mean i get it.. some of those corps won the game's main tournament but the others haven't won anything except kissing up to someone on the ccp end...

this is crap! that's what it is... and just like walking in stations needs to be fixed..
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#130 - 2017-03-10 07:24:43 UTC
Just learn to ignore it. It's not unlike spam in Jita local...

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mkint
#131 - 2017-03-10 12:47:11 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Just learn to ignore it. It's not unlike spam in Jita local...

While it is one of the dumber additions in recent times, it doesn't have much to do with WiS (though if WiS really became a thing, it would obviously become far worse with every square inch of a station being completely nascar-like, another reason to loath the idea of WiS.) As far as dealing with it, what bothers me most about it is the flashing lights effect which isn't something you can just ignore, so the way I deal with it is by using the outside view of citadels (I suspect the crappy ads are part of the drive to push citadel adoption rates). So glad I'm inactive enough in the game that I don't require docking in NPC stations any more.

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Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#132 - 2017-03-10 13:27:09 UTC
mkint wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Just learn to ignore it. It's not unlike spam in Jita local...

While it is one of the dumber additions in recent times, it doesn't have much to do with WiS (though if WiS really became a thing, it would obviously become far worse with every square inch of a station being completely nascar-like, another reason to loath the idea of WiS.) As far as dealing with it, what bothers me most about it is the flashing lights effect which isn't something you can just ignore, so the way I deal with it is by using the outside view of citadels (I suspect the crappy ads are part of the drive to push citadel adoption rates). So glad I'm inactive enough in the game that I don't require docking in NPC stations any more.



they even placed the ads on outside of the citadels and engineering complex's. again no one asked for this and if the community did ask for it, they also asked could we be able to turn it off and on.. which ccp still has refused to allow us. its simple we dont own our structures we build and own!
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#133 - 2017-03-10 15:35:47 UTC
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
they even placed the ads on outside of the citadels and engineering complex's. again no one asked for this and if the community did ask for it, they also asked could we be able to turn it off and on.. which ccp still has refused to allow us. its simple we dont own our structures we build and own!

Lighten up Francis.

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Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#134 - 2017-03-10 15:51:52 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
they even placed the ads on outside of the citadels and engineering complex's. again no one asked for this and if the community did ask for it, they also asked could we be able to turn it off and on.. which ccp still has refused to allow us. its simple we dont own our structures we build and own!

Lighten up Francis.



when ccp finally resolves the many issues, exploits, bad mechanics , and finally listens to the entire fanbase and give us what we ask for then i will lighten up.. until then..

im camping this place amongst others who are expressing their opinions for various reasons. we may disagree and we may agree but we all agree eve online needs to do better and be better for it is a great game that has lasted this long. we all want it to survive.. we all want it to be the top tier in space gaming, we all have this vision.. why not make it a reality.. why let these issues just slide.. why? cause it takes work? cause it takes making PR excuses when they cant meet the expectation? no... the real world doesn't stop at failure it continues and certain times history is made.. i want that in eve online.. to make history..

you're all better than this spreadsheet in space.. walking in stations is another feature that adds to this expansive space mmo.. it needs to be here.. you know how many times ive watched "the scope" videos and scenes of interiors from the various subject matter empires.. i want that in eve.. i want to have those interiors.. enough with the role play.. and rare trailers.. make it happen ccp..
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#135 - 2017-03-10 15:56:51 UTC
I hope just to spite you they never release WiS and expand on the number of holographic billboards.

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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
#136 - 2017-03-10 16:07:24 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I hope just to spite you they never release WiS and expand on the number of holographic billboards.

Actually...CCP could kill two birds there by releasing character models and some Carbon engine tools for custom rigging to make our own videos.

'One night hauler' The tell all story of a pleasure bot in Jita 4-4
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#137 - 2017-03-10 17:36:03 UTC
[quote=Arthur Aihaken]I hope just to spite you they never release WiS and expand on the number of holographic billboards.[/quote


but that doesn't point out how much ccp has ignored standing request to allow us to control those billboards in our own stations and citadels we have created now does it.


knowing ccp there's some plan somewhere on adding skins to citadels.. since that takes priority over interior designs.
Doctor Mabuse
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#138 - 2017-03-10 22:31:40 UTC
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
why let these issues just slide.. why? cause it takes work? cause it takes making PR excuses when they cant meet the expectation? no... the real world doesn't stop at failure it continues and certain times history is made.. i want that in eve online.. to make history..


Currently there are 1700 docked in Jita 4-4, if WiS was a reality it would have to deal with 1700 individual character interactions, and how those interaction affected all the other characters docked and walking around.

I'm certainly no expert, but I'm not aware of an FPS type game engine that can deal with that many characters at once, so what you are asking CCP to do is magically 'just create one' from the ground up, a project that would probably bankrupt the company, to deliver minimal gameplay and 'make history'Roll

CCP have wisely decided not to waste millions on this.
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#139 - 2017-03-10 23:34:07 UTC
Doctor Mabuse wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
why let these issues just slide.. why? cause it takes work? cause it takes making PR excuses when they cant meet the expectation? no... the real world doesn't stop at failure it continues and certain times history is made.. i want that in eve online.. to make history..


Currently there are 1700 docked in Jita 4-4, if WiS was a reality it would have to deal with 1700 individual character interactions, and how those interaction affected all the other characters docked and walking around.

I'm certainly no expert, but I'm not aware of an FPS type game engine that can deal with that many characters at once, so what you are asking CCP to do is magically 'just create one' from the ground up, a project that would probably bankrupt the company, to deliver minimal gameplay and 'make history'Roll

CCP have wisely decided not to waste millions on this.



jita needs to be blown up and force players to not sit there for days on end.. ccp needs to ban allowance of ganking on the undocks and nerf tornado's while they're at it.. but we both know ccp will ignore these problems and it goes to say much about a game if you have 1700 docked up in a station and not undocking to play eve.. again harsh reality of having such a blood thirsty environment.

but they do have interiors in jita which further proves its time for ccp to unlock that door and allow folks to mingle instead of spamming local all the time.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#140 - 2017-03-11 01:38:25 UTC
Milla Goodpussy wrote:



jita needs to be blown up and force players to not sit there for days on end.. ccp needs to ban allowance of ganking on the undocks and nerf tornado's while they're at it.. but we both know ccp will ignore these problems and it goes to say much about a game if you have 1700 docked up in a station and not undocking to play eve.. again harsh reality of having such a blood thirsty environment.

but they do have interiors in jita which further proves its time for ccp to unlock that door and allow folks to mingle instead of spamming local all the time.


calm down, i think you've gotten things a little wrong, have you never watched the amount of traffic moving through those stations.
also the amount of trade that happens which doesn't need you to be undockd.

so let's be a little realistic on this

1700 is not a static number.

jita was blown up, don't you read the news? Roll

there is no allowance on ganking on the undocks, ships that fire at ships without a legal right to do so in high sec go poop!
i've seen the space police go whoop whoop,, that's the sound of the police Roll

you got this bit kinda right,,, harsh reality of having such a blood thirsty environment.,, it can be, yes,, yes,, now you're getting it Big smile now do something about it Big smile

if stupid people didn't part ways with their isk so easy there would not be jita spam, as long as jita spam = profit it will never go away,, long may it last. btw, you do have the option to ignore people who spam local, or can you not resist the urge to be scammed Roll

the chat,,,,, it's so beautiful,,, i can't stop reading it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Shocked lol

oh and leave tornados alone,, what did they ever do on you.