EVE General Discussion

Who in their right mind, even as a brand spanking new noob earns only 1mil isk/hr?

False advertising is still false advertising.

We aren't getting paid anything of real dollar value.

ISK has no value out of the game and can't be transferred for real currency.

So the answer to any question of how much are EVE players earning is always 0.

We gain value in other ways, but not in terms of money.

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Money is a virtual construct, it lives in a virtual world.

Cold hard cash, doesn't exist. It's all some fanciful idea we put in our heads.

We can see this in a variety of ways.

1. The way the stock market reacts is emotional, based on fear mainly, the more fear the less your shares are worth.
2. Each country has their own virtual currency, the values of which change second by second, mainly based on fear.
3. Each person values money differently. For some, a $10 coffee is cheap, for others, it's a ridiculous price.
4. Watch ads for items, even high priced items like cars, and the ads are about emotions, about virtual feelings, that's how you make real sales.

Money has no value, apart from the value people think it has.

"Real" money directly translates to "virtual" currencies, like ISK, or BitCoin.

With MMOs there is usually a layer, or two, between the game currency, and real currency, mainly to get around laws. So we get PLEX and Aurum and so forth.

The law is still pre-internet. So you can, quite legally, sell virtual currency for real currency, and then let people use that virtual currency for gambling, as long as you don't give real rewards, but virtual items are fine.

But as we all know, virtual items have real value.

Now, back to the main point, yes, people have been paid to play online games. One example I remember is a chap who used his employees to train his characters up.

Could it be possible to have CCP pay people to play EVE?

How could that possibly work?

In a way it already happens with that Refer a Friend business, which pays you rewards for getting other people to pay money.

Much like a commission.

Youtube and Twitch are other ways of getting paid to play. Not sure how well that works for EVE. My guess is that EVE would need a bit of a makeover to make it look more exciting. The clutter on the screen distracts me, even with the excitement of huge battles.

So, I'd like to suggest CCP picks a player, or three, to make content for Youtube and Twitch, and provide the tools to make that an enjoyable experience.

I'm not sure how much game players earn; Starcraft, LoL players and all the rest are variable and built around arena type play, arenas which EVE doesn't have. But that's probably something EVE could do with, a battle place simulator with EVE rules, played from any station.

But if CCP paid an average wage they would be inundated by high quality applications.

There you go, one possibility for an EVE player to step on up, and be a player.

Take a wild guess.

I'd say one or two manage to make a living at it, and everyone else earns near zero.

If you make 350 billion isk a month without even trying and live in a solid gold mansion on the moon, but spend all your time in hisec, you haven't started to play EvE.

As a builder, I make between 0 and 30 billion an hour.

Usually zero. But you don't need many thirty billion hours to maintain a comfortable lifestyle.

Mr Epeen

EVE is a game, you play it because it's fun.

it is not work!

Level 4 missions can run 100m or a bit more in High Sec, if you're really good.

Incursions run anywhere between 60-70m an hour to 150, depending on the fleet, the FC, and a bit of luck with spawns. The average is probably somewhere around 100-120 or so.

Carrier ratting in Null can run you 150 to 200 pretty easily.

Super Carrier ratting can pull in 350.

Titan Ratting can run 400+

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Your basic assumption also assumes that I can freely convert my time between a paying job and Eve, when generally speaking I can't just decide to work for an hour instead of playing Eve for an hour. My free time is pre-defined and it's just a decision between different ways to use it. Some of those could potentially make money, but almost all would be freelance work and not under the umbrella of wage laws, and all of them would induce stress which has its own costs.

In short, what's the point of this post besides a lot of questionable math?

I have anecdotal evidence that says otherwise, but I'll admit I'm a bit sparse on data points for Titan and Super ticks. People are, somewhat understandably, shy about sharing anything more than rough figures.

But yes, you can make quite a lot more than any PvE activity provides if you're smart and decent at managing your assets