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It's like Eve, but with swords and stuff

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#21 - 2017-02-09 19:50:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Actualy I think Howard's mind was so bent on getting rid of all those societal norms, that it created Conan to discharge all this pressure.

We can see a renaissance of barbarism in this highly civilized world also. I feel all this populism, all this porn, its all so basic, all the values are shifting, when people see how the elites are using civilization to harvest the "best grains" and use their position to then harvest even more. This results in "Barbaric kings", and people want to flip the table. They want something too from that table. And they want revenge.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#22 - 2017-02-09 20:11:58 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
...In Conan stories its not an intelleigence and civilization that is winning at the end. Its strength of will and human urges. This is prevalent even in the hyborian history piece writen by Howard.

Well said mate, indeed.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#23 - 2017-02-11 22:02:03 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Heresy. Blasphemy. Ignorance and philistinism. Gone all backwards, stupid, and insipid. Why you do that Funcom? Why you do that controllers of Robert E. Howard estate? Such a waste.... Crying shame.... It all started with that horrible Arnold Dino de Laurentis cheesy Conan movie. Yes, it was horrible cheesy and a dishonor to the writer and the character. Dino, maker of bombastic 70s disaster movies. King Kong featuring Jessica Lange (ruined her career, she was a good actress but bye bye after the sitting in giant plastic Kong hand prop), Arnold and James Earl Jones as Thoth Amon (way, way too much screen time for a minor character)...

What a waste, a waste, a travesty.... Worst of all is a whole generation met Conan of Cimmeria through that bunk, and the sequel. Missed the original writing, or even the comics illustrated adaptations. And then the next-gen Funcom meme-ing....

RIP
Robert E. Howard
H.P. Lovecraft
Other crazy talented weirdos who dreamt up weird tales and told them in words, back in the day. Shame be on who makes them into licensed properties, and not faithful to the original creators.



I feel like trashing the coffee house and going to the nearest library to hit on the librarian after reading that.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Hazel TuckerTS
Doomheim
#24 - 2017-02-11 23:36:32 UTC
Black desert isn't bad

kiss kiss bang bang

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#25 - 2017-02-19 16:48:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#26 - 2017-02-20 23:21:08 UTC
I support any game with the balls (lol) to blatantly dong it up. About time. I played AoC for a time. Had it's moments. And it's running jokes. "How do you know if a player is actually a real girl?" "Look for the ones with all their clothes slots equipped." 😂
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#27 - 2017-02-20 23:52:26 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
I support any game with the balls (lol) to blatantly dong it up. About time. I played AoC for a time. Had it's moments. And it's running jokes. "How do you know if a player is actually a real girl?" "Look for the ones with all their clothes slots equipped." 😂

If you are a really are a real "girl" then then why don't you have your "outer clothing" slot equipped for your Eve character? 😁
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#28 - 2017-02-21 01:53:24 UTC
Haven't logged in to buy one I like I suppose! Cool
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#29 - 2017-02-21 04:32:16 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
...In Conan stories its not an intelleigence and civilization that is winning at the end. Its strength of will and human urges. This is prevalent even in the hyborian history piece writen by Howard.

Well said mate, indeed.




Hey by the way are you familiar with the discussion going on about old school "pulp" of which REH is considered essential?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#30 - 2017-02-22 01:47:30 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
...In Conan stories its not an intelleigence and civilization that is winning at the end. Its strength of will and human urges. This is prevalent even in the hyborian history piece writen by Howard.

Well said mate, indeed.




Hey by the way are you familiar with the discussion going on about old school "pulp" of which REH is considered essential?

Thanks Herzog. I am among my own there, I feel better now. Smile

Speaking of good pulp, we need a good game based on Fritz Leiber's Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser. Or probably better yet, just a good TV series based on the stories. Fritz, that's another genius, but a merry prankster one.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#31 - 2017-02-22 07:51:53 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
...In Conan stories its not an intelleigence and civilization that is winning at the end. Its strength of will and human urges. This is prevalent even in the hyborian history piece writen by Howard.

Well said mate, indeed.




Hey by the way are you familiar with the discussion going on about old school "pulp" of which REH is considered essential?

Thanks Herzog. I am among my own there, I feel better now. Smile

Speaking of good pulp, we need a good game based on Fritz Leiber's Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser. Or probably better yet, just a good TV series based on the stories. Fritz, that's another genius, but a merry prankster one.


Knew you would like that.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#32 - 2017-02-22 09:27:35 UTC
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2017-03-06 15:40:32 UTC
The music sounds a lot similar to the music in the original Conan the Barbarian film (the one with Arnold), which is enough to sell me on this game. Probably gonna be garbage, but perhaps, at least it will be epic garbage.
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2017-03-06 15:54:10 UTC
Nice! I too am a fan of the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser stories, as well as the Elric of Melniboné stories by Michael Moorcock. If you guys are into that kind of pulp fiction, and if you like Lovecraft and Howard, you have to check out the work of Clark Ashton Smith. He is like the perfect mixture of Howard and Lovecraft and, in my opinion, a better write than either of them. His fantasy stories are unlike anything you've ever read. And they also tie in with the Cthulu Mythos and, I believe, the Hyborian Age. He has stories from Atlantis, which he calls Poseidonis, and post-apocalyptic stories. It's pure fantasy.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#35 - 2017-03-07 00:37:21 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
Nice! I too am a fan of the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser stories, as well as the Elric of Melniboné stories by Michael Moorcock. If you guys are into that kind of pulp fiction, and if you like Lovecraft and Howard, you have to check out the work of Clark Ashton Smith. He is like the perfect mixture of Howard and Lovecraft and, in my opinion, a better write than either of them. His fantasy stories are unlike anything you've ever read. And they also tie in with the Cthulu Mythos and, I believe, the Hyborian Age. He has stories from Atlantis, which he calls Poseidonis, and post-apocalyptic stories. It's pure fantasy.


I'm a big Elric fan as well, even though I never managed to finish any of the books. Moorcock's amazing at dreaming up trippy characters and scenes than coming up with good stories with plots, IMO. Seems like he's almost more of a visual artist than a storyteller writer. Or considering his partnership with the acid rock band Hawkwind, maybe kind of a musician? Still, I'd love to see an Elric movie or series made someday. Maybe an animated one, not live action. Fafhrd and Gray Mouser too, but those could be great for live action.

Zelazny's Amber Chronicles are also excellent, I'd say. At least the first five books were. He's kind of spotty and not especially slick as a writer (I'd say many guys in our own Eve fiction writing community are smoother). But the ideas and the story are great.

Oh yeah on Clark Ashton Smith! It's one of those names you see, but maybe never get around to checking out. Got a new sword & sorcery series to check out. Thank you sir!


Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2017-03-07 03:38:37 UTC
Definitely agree about Moorcock. He's a huge inspiration for me because, like you said, his concepts and stuff are so appealing, even on a visual level. Very mythical, if that is the word. The problem with Moorcock though is the very inconsistent writing. I've only finished the first two books in the "saga", even though I have the rest of the original six book collection and I sometimes leaf through them in fascination, but still, at times his writing is pretty much garbage. Even when it's good, it's never far from being bad. Yet that's somehow part of the appeal. It is, after all, pulp fantasy fiction from the sixties.

Whenever that movie gets made some day, I envision is being something like Hellboy 2: The Golden Army, not just because of that albino boss dude, but just because of the overall gothic feel and stuff. Actually, that makes me wonder why Guillermo del Toro hasn't already made it. What's he waiting for? **** it, let's make the Elric movie, us guys right here in this forum thread... seriously... But also, like you, I've always envisioned Elric as a cartoon, not sure why - probably just fits with the cheesy fantasyness of the whole thing.

Moorcock also wrote music for (and played with? not sure) Blue Oyster Cult, one of the sickest bands ever. Their songs "Black Blade" and "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" are supposed to be about Elric / the Eternal Champion. Which is just so damm cool that it's almost fuk'd.

I've checked out those Amber books a few times but they just never really grabbed hold of me. Granted, I only read, like, the first page, but I have a strange sense of artisticness. I feel like I can sniff a book and tell if I'm gonna like it or not. There's just this feeling I get when I know I'm gonna like something, it's weird. Then again, I'm a bit older now, so maybe I'll like it now. That happens, happened to me a lot. We'll see, maybe.

As for Smith, I think you can find pretty much all of his stuff for free now. Some of the physical copies are pretty expensive these days. I have two copies of his works, the collections Lost Worlds and Out of Space and Time, both hardcover reprints from 1971. I got them when I was like sixteen (ordered them online) and threw away the dust jackets (probably not a smart move) but I don't think I would give them away for anything. I just sniff them all day (no girlfriend). They're beautiful. I'd recommend checking out any of the stories from either one of those collections.

Also regarding what you said earlier about the Laurentiis (or whatever) Conan film. I grew up loving that movie, still do to a certain extent. It was pretty epic. But I definitely feel your frustration. I'm not necessarily a huge Howard fan. His stuff was always mostly stiff and boring to me, but I did like some of the stories like the Tower of the Elephant which you mentioned earlier. I also leaped with silly enthusiasm into the story Red Nails, thinking that "red nails" probably referred to, like, human nails that were covered in blood (which is still a better idea; someone should remix Red Nails to involve that theme) but it turns out Howard's "Red Nails" is about literal metal nails that are painted red - wtf is this crap? I pictured someone clawing out their own eyeballs with blood-covered nails and he gives me a coffin with nails in it? But whatever. It was a while ago, I can barely remember reading it.

My dad is one of those people who thinks he knows Conan because he saw the movie. Unlike him, I actually read some of the original stories. But he thought that the novelization of the Dino De Laurentiis film was the original Conan story, because on the cover it said "by Robert E. Howard and L. Sprague de Camp" and I had to pretty much argue with him, like, no, they just put his name there because he created the character, he didn't actually write that. He was dead a long time ago. He wrote the real stories in the thiries, etc. Since he was kind of an authority figure for me most of my life I thought he probably knew more than I did, but no, he was just mistaken on that one.

Same thing happened when I realized that he thought the Necronomicon was a real book created by Lovecraft (like a real "occult" book). I had to explain to him again that it was a fictional book within Lovecraft's stories that didn't actually exist - even though plenty of books were called the "Necronomicon" later on, with or without his name, but they were usually just stories or whatever, not the "real" Necronomicon. Then again, maybe it does exist... maybe it's out there somewhere... who has the answers? What does it all mean??

Yeah this game should be good though o/ Big smile
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2017-03-07 03:58:17 UTC
Also don't bother reading all that, you can just stop at like the third paragraph if you want

And Elric as a cartoon should look something like the Taarna sequence from Heavy Metal.

Cool
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#38 - 2017-03-08 23:55:42 UTC
I'm glad somebody else thinks Moorcock is a great dreamer guy, but kind of an awful writer. His books were so popular when I was in high school, I thought I was the only weirdo who thought he couldn't really write. Same as I'm glad that that blogger guy also thinks Howard is kind of quasi-literature. Smile

Maybe check out "Red Nails" again someday, mate. It's one of Howard's best, IMO. See, there's this city, but it's all inside one big building with no windows. Some kind of glowing mineral lights it. And there are two tribes in there, kind of like Aztecs or Toltecs, and they're constantly warring on each other. One of them has this horned skull thing that a guy wears as a helmet, and it mesmerizes people if they look at it, so he can kill them easy. So Conan and this hot pirate woman Valeria come in there to escape some giant jungle reptiles, and.... Smile

I still have the Marvel Comics oversized special edition of "Red Nails," illustrated by the mighty Barry Windsor-Smith. It came out about the same time as Blue Oyster Cult's first album.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#39 - 2017-03-09 04:45:36 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
... Anyone tried these two sandbox-ish swords and sandals MMOs?
Gloria Victis Seems and looks like a Mount & Blade-inspired sandbox. If so, excellent! But does it work?
Black Desert Online - Graphics look great, if nothing else.


gloria victis seems pretty interesting, but that black desert doesn't.

I liked mount and blade, and never was interested in WoW, so maybe that factors in.

I've been playing some tiger knight lately. If you liked mount and blade you might like it. Not deep at all but the Chinese theme is different enough to interest me a bit.



Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2017-03-09 15:17:28 UTC
Yeah maybe I'll check it out again. I was petty young when I first read it.

Also it's really frustrating how much technology has advanced, yet there's still hardly any good games. What da fook.
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