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Lorelei Ierendi

We Care A Lot

Likes received: 333

#21 - 2017-03-07 22:50:18 UTC

So whilst running around in my transport ships and keeping an eye on zkillboard to check out where hotspots of ganking are, I saw this:

https://zkillboard.com/kill/60610795/

Someone lost a 19B Freighter to faction police. In Perimeter.

The game mechanics warn you when you undock and are going to get blapped by Concord... why not do the same for Faction Police?

Or why not stop warning people that undock and get blapped by CONCORD because of the criminal timer?

Either people need popup help or they do not...

http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/

Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri

Dreamweb Industries

Novus Ordo.

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#22 - 2017-03-08 13:15:29 UTC

Lorelei Ierendi wrote:

It wasn't faction police that killed him, it was faction navy. Different thing. You get attacked by them for bad faction standings, not bad sec status. And you do get a popup warning when you try jumping into hghsec while under -5.0 sec.

Of course, ther could be a separate popup for jumping into hostile imperial systems, but where's the hilarity in that?

Agent of the New Order

Live by the Code - die by the Code.

The Voice of Highsec

Cochise Chiricahua

The Inglourious Bastards

Astral Battles

Likes received: 6

#23 - 2017-03-08 17:04:08 UTC

07 Candidate!

First, thank you for your time and effort (both present and future) in representing the capsuleers of New Eden! They’re much appreciated.

I’m preparing to cast my vote in the CSM12 elections. After reading the information you submitted, though, I still have a question.

By way of background, I started in Eve as a hauler, moving freight in T1 industrials and gradually working my way up in both ships and cargo. However, I repeatedly found my progress impeded by gankers who would destroy my ship and steal my cargo. In low- and null-sec space, that’s to be expected. You place your bet and take your chances. In high-sec space, however, this is very frustrating. Why have high-sec space at all then? This frustration drove me into anti-ganking, and I’ve been a proud member of Thomas en Chasteaux's High-Sec Militia for several months now.

So, my question. Where do you stand on high-sec ganking? I’ll concede that ganking is a legitimate style of game play, as CCP has ruled. But I also feel that it should be difficult and dangerous (for the ganker) in the 30% of New Eden designated as high-sec space. In particular, I’d like to see CCP tweak the game mechanics so that the criminal flag generated by looting a ganked freighter in high-sec space follows all players who handle that loot, and otherwise make looting more realistic. (Thomas en Chasteaux's ideas, not mine.)

As a member of the CSM, would you present such an idea to CCP? Would you push for its adoption? What other game changes might you consider to make high-sec ganking more difficult and less profitable?

Regards,
Cochise Chiricahua.

Lorelei Ierendi

We Care A Lot

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#24 - 2017-03-08 18:47:11 UTC | Edited by: Lorelei Ierendi

Thank you for taking the time to post in my thread... and by the looks of it in lots of other threads too! There cannot be enough engaging of the candidates to encourage debate.

Cochise Chiricahua wrote:

Which information did you read?

Cochise Chiricahua wrote:

So, my question. Where do you stand on high-sec ganking?

I asked which information you read because I addressed and posted the subject of high sec ganking in my opening post in this thread. I also included links to where I talked about it in more detail in my campaign threads last year and the year before, and on my (seldom used) blog. As it happens, high sec ganking is one of the most important themes for me!

As you say... you read the information I posted... but obviously you are still unclear on where I stand. Do you have any specific questions about what I wrote that I could help you with?

Cochise Chiricahua wrote:

This frustration drove me into anti-ganking, and I’ve been a proud member of Thomas en Chasteaux's High-Sec Militia for several months now.

I was proud to have been the CSMX Candidate endorsed by the Anti-Ganking community and channel. Especially proud because I did not actively court them, but dedicated members read through all the relevant candidates and decided that I was as close to a candidate that represented what they felt. They helped me come in 15th place in the election... Sadly people in High Sec have been losing interest in the CSM since then.

Cochise Chiricahua wrote:

As a member of the CSM, would you present such an idea to CCP? Would you push for its adoption? What other game changes might you consider to make high-sec ganking more difficult and less profitable?

And there was me thinking that you read what I wrote...
Before I get any further, have you tried high sec ganking? Do you have an idea how difficult and dangerous it already is? (See campaign thread #1 back when I was the anti-ganking candidate for some discussion on this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=386664 )

I get you wanted to copy/paste lots of candidates in the CSM thread in order to draw attention to Thomas' idea and bring up the issue of ganking in high sec... The answers to the majority of your questions have already been covered by me. Changes to ganking/bumping/CONCORD... As I wrote in my opening thread:

Please read my last threads before posting questions... we really do not need to cover the points that have been discussed before... high sec is worth fighting for!

I am more than happy to discuss the issue, my issue, with you... but I don't necessarily want to repeat the stuff I have been saying for three years now. If you would like to debate this with me, please take the time to do some reading... and/or look for me in the anti-ganking channel. I hope that you will read through my response before answering.

EDIT: You should maybe try and collate the responses that you get, maybe on Thomas' blog, so that other people can benefit from your hard work. Statistically speaking it is the third day of voting and probably more than half of the people that care enough to vote have already voted... this effort on the part of the EVE community might have been more productive shortly after the candidates were announced...

http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/

Lorelei Ierendi

We Care A Lot

Likes received: 333

#25 - 2017-03-08 23:11:35 UTC

Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:

Thanks for the correction.

What gets on my nerves is that some things are completely babysat (I get warnings when I accept a distribution mission if the cargo does not fit in my active ship... I get warnings when I try undocking without the cargo on my ship - no really!) and other things are not. By having so much babysitting it is hard for carebears to know what gets warned and what doesn't... and it leads to a false (unfair) sense of security. I mean if the game warns me that I am undocking without cargo, it warns me when CONCORD are going to turn off my engines and blap me... why wouldn't it warn me that the Navy are going to fry me?

I would plead for consistency. Partial babysitting is not fun from my perspective.

http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/

Lorelei Ierendi

We Care A Lot

Likes received: 333

#26 - 2017-03-11 19:44:27 UTC

I just happened to be online when I got a notification about the elections:

Greetings citizen of New Eden,

Voting for the Council of Stellar Management, the democratically elected EVE player council, is now open to all Omega accounts. If you are eligible to vote, please head to the CSM page where you can study the candidates and cast your vote for up to 10 candidates of your choice.

Make CSM 12 your CSM.

Video tutorial on how to vote

Happy voting!

This makes me so happy!

http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/

Wombolshevik SSR 14
Myszokar Asterlan Wombolshevik SSR Likes received: 14	#27 - 2017-03-11 20:25:27 UTC 1 Hello! I'd like to ask your opinion concerning recent changes, particularly alpha clones stuff and Aura's voice.

Lorelei Ierendi

We Care A Lot

Likes received: 333

#28 - 2017-03-11 21:50:28 UTC

Thanks for stopping by my thread and taking time to post.

Myszokar Asterlan wrote:

Hello! I'd like to ask your opinion concerning recent changes, particularly alpha clones stuff and Aura's voice.

Aura's voice: well apart from those times I need it, I play EVE with sound off... listening to my own music or something. I must admit, the change in voice takes some getting used to.

Alpha Clones: Having the potential to have more people experience EVE and join is not a bad thing... and being able to log in to the game to catch up with friends without having to subscribe for a month seems also to have postive sides. I tried out an Alpha clone... trying to think if I have any use for Alpha alts... but at the moment they are not for me.

Any other recent changes you would like my opinion on? My EVE experience is getting laggier with every update - or so it seems. I need to update my computer.

http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/

Myszokar Asterlan

Wombolshevik SSR

Likes received: 14

#29 - 2017-03-15 13:20:56 UTC | Edited by: Myszokar Asterlan

Just asking out of curiosity. I didn't find any canditates sharing my disappointment in the direction CCP goes lately, unrelentingly ruining what good they built before. I guess it makes sense - unfortunately only happy and content players are willing to devote time to CSM, to confirm to CCP that everything they're doing is great...
Sorry, not the right place to rant. Due to lack of suitable candidates voted for you anyway, as a carebear in my EVE days. Good luck and have fun.


Lorelei Ierendi We Care A Lot Likes received: 333	#30 - 2017-03-18 06:30:01 UTC \| Edited by: Lorelei Ierendi 3 "What is the CSM?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN2aIYHow-0 For those of you (like me) that missed CCP promoting this video... here it is! http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/

Sivar Ahishatsu

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#31 - 2017-03-22 02:11:53 UTC | Edited by: Sivar Ahishatsu

Hello Lorelei,

If I may I would like to ask a few questions to know your thoughts on some topics.

1st - What do you think of Highsec Content? Is it fun, is it accessible? Is it enough?

2nd- Would you like to have more content accessible in High Sec and if yes, what would be your suggestions to do it?

3rd - Would you be for an expansion of High Sec to include low sec? Meaning expanding the CONCORD rule set to include all the way to 0.2. With only 0.1 systems being bereft of CONCORD presence. How do you think this would sound current to High Sec Citizens?

4th- You speak of

Quote:

The problem with High Sec space is that the players there are all independent. There is no feeling of "we". This lack of "we" is a problem. The lack of "we all stand together" is a problem. The "apathy of the carebear" is a problem...

Do you think this to be a result of lack of trust? Maybe even some level of fear? Are Empire citizens apathetic to one another because they fear and do not trust one another no knowing who will turn around to back stab them or Player Kill them in an ambush or Declare War on them? Is this maybe what prevents Empire citizens form developing a "WE"?

5th- What do you think of Factional Warfare?

6th- While many In EVE seem to confuse the difference between Player Killing and PvP, I would like to know if you see a difference and what would be your thoughts separately towards PvP in general and Player Killing.

To be clear here, PvP means a contest between two people capable of fighting, while Player killing is the more cowardly violent action of a Player towards other who is weaker and unable to fight. This also includes Ganking in Low sec between a hunter and a victim.

7th- Do you think that Justice and Punishment Systems are adequate currently in Empire space? And if not any ideas on how to improve them?

8th- Why do you play EVE?

All the best in your Campaign!

Lorelei Ierendi

We Care A Lot

Likes received: 333

#32 - 2017-03-22 18:38:54 UTC

Hi! Thanks for taking the time to write.
I saw your independent thread on the forums: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=514372&find=unread
which I took time to answer.

Sivar Ahishatsu wrote:

Hello Lorelei,

Hello.

At this point I would like to state/ask the following things:

a) Are you asking/posting just for yourself.... or do you represent a larger block of votes that will be cast? It is very late in the campaign season.. the voting ends soon. Is answering your post going to bring me votes, and be worth it? Or is answering your post going to maybe annoy / dissatisfy the people that have already voted for me... if they read something they do not like?

What do you think?

b) Did you know, you can only quote 5 times in a forum post? I did not know until I tried more. But trying to answer 8 questions with only 5 quotes is blowing my mind. (yes my English teacher would have shot me for starting a sentence with "But"... but he is not here.... or is he??)

c) Have you maybe, really read this forum thread? Maybe even my blog? Maybe even my other forum threads??? Honestly... after years of bad experience at work... I cannot stand repeating myself too often. I apologise if I get aggressive (well I am not sorry if I get aggressive if you ask me something I already answered... like CONCORD or BUMPING or some such stuff... your own fault!).

That being said... the answer to your post might take several posts.... exactly because of the quoting restrictions. Here we go!

Sivar Ahishatsu wrote:

8th- Why do you play EVE?

Taking the easiest question first!
I like EVE. I (more or less.... read previous posts / listen to interviews) started being interested in Space Sims with Elite... and spent really too much time with Elite II / Frontier (instead of studying). I was a kick-ass trader flying my panther between Barnard's Star and Sol! I got soooo rich!
EVE lets me do the same things... only my actions actually *gasp* affect other people. That makes me important (or at least feel important).
Stuff like that is why I play EVE. If I wanted to play a game where I would not get ganked / scammed / lost then I would play another game. I joined EVE knowing what it was. What I absolutely really think is that it is quite [AUTO CENSOR SUCKS] to want to change EVE into something that it is definitely not.

More answers coming later... maybe also on my blog... because you asked a lot!

http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/

Lorelei Ierendi

We Care A Lot

Likes received: 333

#33 - 2017-03-22 18:53:21 UTC

Sivar Ahishatsu wrote:

3rd - Would you be for an expansion of High Sec to include low sec?

Nope. Why would anyone be for that? There are lots of high sec systems with hardly any life... why make more of them? That will not address any problems...
I have mined / existed in High Sec. I have mined / existed in LowSec and I have mined / existed in nullSec. Despite my Killboard I felt safest in Null Sec. NullSec for Mining Safety... and I would urge my Carebear cousins to try it.

Sivar Ahishatsu wrote:

Meaning expanding the CONCORD rule set to include all the way to 0.2. With only 0.1 systems being bereft of CONCORD presence.

CONCORD do and mean nothing. Literally nothing. Gankers have optimised themselves so much... that expanding CONCORD response space will make (IMHO) large swathes of EVE much LESS attractive for anyone who uses them.
What do the different SEC statuses really mean, anyway? Different ores available? One can do quite well just mining Veldspar (just ask Chribba).

Sivar Ahishatsu wrote:

How do you think this would sound current to High Sec Citizens?

The overwhelming majority of High Sec citizens wouldn't hear it if you said it. That is the sad truth. And what would they do with it? Like I said, there are already enough High Sec systems... or do you think everyone should have their own.

Now a question from me: Have you tried, for example, ganking? Do you know what you are talking about?

[quote=Sivar Ahishatsu] 4th- You speak of

Quote:

Do you think this to be a result of lack of trust? Maybe even some level of fear? Are Empire citizens apathetic to one another because they fear and do not trust one another no knowing who will turn around to back stab them or Player Kill them in an ambush or Declare War on them? Is this maybe what prevents Empire citizens form developing a "WE"?/quote] No, I do not think it is a lack of trust, in general. I do not think it has anything to do with fear. I do not think the average High Sec carebear of which I speak knows enough about the game or game mechanics to develop either a lack of trust... or fear. Seriously... have you tried speaking to High Sec carebears about things.
In your question I think you credit the basic carebear with too much insight. There have already been great changes in the game (eg the End of Awoxing, the End of War Decs with Character Log-On/Off info...) that have done a lot to benefit High Sec Carebears.... but most of us do not know it. Sad but true.... oh so true.
As it stands, war decs are easy to avoid.... simply CORPS reform...

http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/

Lorelei Ierendi

We Care A Lot

Likes received: 333

#34 - 2017-03-22 19:54:43 UTC | Edited by: Lorelei Ierendi

As an aside, I got booted from the minerbumping channel when I tried to invite them to the discussion.
I will probably post the chatlogs (such as they are) on my blog later.

[20:33:26] LeConte Boudreaux > I've updated myself on what ever Lorelei Ierendi was on about. She's running for Hi-sec CSM? We've already got a Savior.
[20:36:39] Hero Of HiSec > I doth not believe in democracy but Toxic Yaken is yonder HiSec candidate.
[20:36:50] Tax Collector KarlMarx > Carebear only vision for hisec*
[20:36:58] Tax Collector KarlMarx > aka worthless
[20:37:20] Hero Of HiSec > Democracy is Suicide.
[20:39:30] LeConte Boudreaux > typical politician.

Noone there has actually read my threads or anything I have said. Typical high sec!
I guess when I run next year they will also be getting all uptight about how I don't consider their playstyle or appreciate their content or whatever...
Well suckers... you had your chances. I don't wanna hear any more of your complaints.

http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/

Polaris Rising Goonswarm Federation 0
LeConte Boudreaux Polaris Rising Goonswarm Federation Likes received: 0	#35 - 2017-03-22 20:59:07 UTC http://i.imgur.com/ITWO8m7.png Photographic evidence for authenticity. hi-sec needs a governing body that is not swayed by any player-group. To this day, I have not seen a finer job of this than CONCORD.

Lorelei Ierendi

We Care A Lot

Likes received: 333

#36 - 2017-03-22 21:06:29 UTC

LeConte Boudreaux wrote:

http://i.imgur.com/ITWO8m7.png

Photographic evidence for authenticity.

hi-sec needs a governing body that is not swayed by any player-group. To this day, I have not seen a finer job of this than CONCORD.

Oh. And there was me thinking that a minerbumper would say something about their Saviour (who once was in the running for CSM until he withdrew... ever heard the interview? https://crossingzebras.com/csm8james315/ )

I am talking about the CSM, which does not necessarily have something to do with governing High Sec.
Please, if you are going to post on my CSM thread, try and keep on subject.

http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/

LeConte Boudreaux

Polaris Rising

Goonswarm Federation

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#37 - 2017-03-22 21:50:38 UTC

I will Withdraw my prior post on your count of relevancy.

I also object to your reference of James 315 and his interview on the ground of relevance. I find it unrelated this threat on the grounds that it is being used to discourage the merit of my post on behalf of the new order of hi-sec on account that I am acting as my own individual and request that you withdraw it as well.

http://i.imgur.com/Nwhy6qZ.png

(Photographed for authenticity)

CSM representatives are elected for the people by the people.

Perhaps there is no hi-sec representative because there was never meant to be one? The concept that any one body could sway the happenings of hi-sec devalues it's experience as an amorphic entity in the hands of the NPCs, not the players?

Lorelei Ierendi

We Care A Lot

Likes received: 333

#38 - 2017-03-22 22:00:27 UTC

LeConte Boudreaux wrote:

CSM representatives are elected for the people by the people.

Perhaps there is no hi-sec representative because there was never meant to be one? The concept that any one body could sway the happenings of hi-sec devalues it's experience as an amorphic entity in the hands of the NPCs, not the players?

Is High Sec an amorphic entity in the hands of NPCs and not the players?

http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/


LeConte Boudreaux Polaris Rising Goonswarm Federation Likes received: 0	#39 - 2017-03-22 22:05:47 UTC Yes.


Lorelei Ierendi We Care A Lot Likes received: 333	#40 - 2017-03-22 22:13:24 UTC 1 LeConte Boudreaux wrote: Yes. Thank you. I shall be sure to quote you (as above). http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/

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