EVE General Discussion

Look at your own posts ... how on-topic are they?

There!! Thats it... the epic sci-fi vibration.

LOL, I've been reading everything posted on this thread and it is very interesting.

Jenn, its all about perspective. In a 10 storey block of apartments the person living at the top will have a different perspective from the person living at the bottom. Not better or worse, but different. the person at the top may appreciate being able to see for miles and miles, while the person at the bottom appreciates seeing nature close up. Try to swap these people around and the person now at the bottom will wonder why he cant see for miles and the person now at the top will wonder where his trees and wildlife are.

Eve can seem like a part time job. I know there have been 24 hour battles for example, these people obviously take the game very seriously to be doing that.

my style of play is mostly role play where I try to address societies ill's by doing something that fights an oppressive regime. I know what effect the use of the wardec mecanic will have on the little guys game play, so I put on my cape and spring into action. Also this isnt about ignoring the corp mechanic its more about stepping back a little bit and giving yourself a break by going npc and simply avoiding the wardec mechanic all together for a period of time and then going back to a suitable corp.

I'm trying to create an Eve-Online-Light, you know like a beer that has less alcohol in it.

Yeah, that works, but it's not something you need a prescription for. I use it, and it's about as dangerous as aspirin. But most doctors are not gonna tell you, yo, take you some valerian root and an OTC 5mg of melatonin.

Why? No profit.

Old school? What the hell?

Sisko is not that old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjvYiSDJujA

Am I that old? No. No way. People still watch DS9, don't they? F*ck. Well, they should!

You know, the cool kids watched B5 anyway

Actually, it's not. It's permitted by CCP because it provides a lot of revenue. But the arguments on both sides, if you really stop to consider it, are stemming from this massive hole, this obscene gap of morality that's accepted by everyone.

People who mine typically have an Orca alt, a hauling alt, a multi-box team of miners if they're really into, etc, & so forth. This is counterbalanced by the gankers having scouts, specialized ecm alts, etc, etc.

A virtual chaos of absolute overpowered insanity occurs, the multi-boxing miners making a ton of isk, and the multi-boxing gankers capitalizing on this. Risk is then detached, and distributed amongst several toons on both sides, with the net result being both of you employing a fleet of toons, and the combined resources being funneled back into whatever you consider your main to be.

As far as I'm concerned, you're both cheating scumbags, and the only reason you exist is because CCP allows this, and they allow it because they are getting paid. Just because something is allowed does not make it right. More importantly, it doesn't make it practical. It takes a small flaw, and magnifies it many times over, until this sort of anger on both sides simply erupts, and because the mechanic is now so overblown and powerful, limited only by your real life pocket-book, there is no end in sight.

Who really loses? The little people, that are sitting in their lone skiff, playing the game as designed, or the lone ganker, who makes the money from his ganking toon, playing the game as it was designed, those people not having 6 game clients open at a time. They lose, which makes sense from CCP's standpoint. They only paid once.

It's still wrong. Both of these camps need one hell of a smackdown. As fun as all that was, my lunch is gonna be over in 49 minutes, and I have a steak and baked potato to eat. Seeya next time.

I said, in the very post you are responding to, that it'a accepted by everyone, didn't I? But, don't forget, you're talking to the person who also says that since most people are stupid, AND evil, it's a horrible combination, which means the majority is nearly always wrong...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYJ88MHPyF8

'I took that, and since I was curious, I wondered if people would even take the first step. If I start the fight, for them, as if that's necessary, since it's not, except as a bit or moral aid, would they fight?

If one of their members were being attacked, would they respond, as the type of community you want to make? They won't. I've tried this in game and been blown to hell while the sheep sat and watched. Without doing the simple thing of targetting an already viable target and hitting 'F.'

They won't. No point, Mark O'helm says. The Germans have this sorta thing, they just sit there, feeling guilty about WW2, and they just lay down and die. So I tried it on other groups, tossing in a combat ship and saying, help me help you.

Nope. Not gonna happen.

****. Need to do something. Finish this later.

It's really kind of mind-boggling that you keep posting stuff like this, that is among other things massively pessimistic, and yet you keep doing it.

Brings to mind a quote about a definition of insanity...

Just because you've tried something and it didn't work, especially if it's community organizing given your personality and self-admitted aversion to power and responsibility, that doesn't mean it *can't* work. This game has seen blue communities before, it'll probably see more of them again. Some have worked better than others.

Because the cost to benefit of prohibitions on multiboxing is not linear across play-styles and regions. Some people and players would be almost unaffected, others would be wiped out entirely.

This game has grown up with multi-boxing as a part of its framework and it's pretty much an assumed quantity both for CCP and the players. CCP should, and for the most part has, avoided designing mechanics that outright require multiboxing, but quite a few playstyles heavily benefit from it, and the ability to run multiple clients is something CCP actively supports with the launcher and the minimum system specs for the client.

Removing it at this stage would be a pretty drastic change that would be felt across the entire game. It's all well and good for you or others to go "well good, it's a bad system" but that's overly simplistic and narrow minded. Multi-boxing isn't inherently good or bad, and its removal wouldn't be either. What it would be is a drastic change, and generally speaking in MMOs those are to be avoided if at all possible, especially without a very solid reasoning and empirical evidence to back it up.