EVE General Discussion

Ah, but you see, I believe I'm being very honest with you. And I think you are full of **** (honestly). You are quite generous with your criticism, but you are quite stingy when it comes to ideas. It's easy to tell someone how to do something, but it's quite difficult to do it yourself.

It's fair that you are not willing to share your API key. You do not have to. But why are you so intent on convincing us that asking for API keys is wrong or bad somehow? Most of us are clearly ok with it. And those of us who aren't simply don't share their API key and go on with their lives. We are playing the game, we are having fun. And you can do the same, with or without sharing your API key.

I'm not trying to win anything here anymore. You are literally a lost case. Just go and do what you think is best, I will not bother you. Although I would really love to see you not ask questions if you are unwilling to accept the answers right from the beginning. I'd also like to ask you to not judge people, because that is what you are doing, und guess what happened, you got judged back. So, despite I did not cite that line, I find it rather fitting now that I think about it.

Not that I think anything of what anyone ever will say here will go into your thick skull. This is /thread for me. I'd like to congratulate you on "winning" this discussion, but alas, I think you are just not aware that you had already lost more than just a discussion right from the beginning.

I have to jump a bit aside to Amojin as i agree with some point's he made. I'm also afraid people still beeing traumatized by the BoB show.

The thing is, corps and alliances don't need a unmasked API key. To be precise, the API is technically not able to prevent spys or thiefs.

You may filter by some assumptions with the informations given (e.g. clearly named bookmark network; contacts to suspects; wallet transactions to suspects). For example, the bookmarks can be explained because you pvp there a lot. A wallet transaction could be a legitimate market order accepted or in form of a donation a ransom beeing paid.

But the point is, everything can still be valid and the API can't help you with "anything" in that matter. Wasn't the recent PL action enough to get it into your brains? The important actions that a alliance may fear will be there and are executed like there was no such API feature ever.

Regarding the mails, i would always mask that API feature. CCP ensure your mails are private. And as stated often, big corps or alliances dont have the time to go through 500 mails either, so what? Tho i may use them to talk to RL friends about RL things, store my can passwords there, talk bad with my CEO about a FC or having teamspeak data for my old corp that i still use to talk here and there. It does not matter if i use EVE, facebook or discord as the platform for it, since they all ensure it private until you do bad or hacks happen! So with that scenario given: Who are you to legitimate a request for my private / RL informations. They where NOT meant to be shared. What if i try to delete all of them to hand out the API mask, but forget one?

Conclusion: Most people are willing to share certain informations and you should only request the ones you need. It does not help you getting over your opinion about a certain information or prevent anything "someone" might told you about the person.

So:
1. The mask feature is there for reason.
2. The API only allow for opinions
3. If you dont have the timeor ressources to filter everything, why you request it?
4. What API feature prevents me streaming password protected to your enemies?
5. What API feature prevents me stealing you stuff 1 year after i joined?

May the great Emperor forgive my english skills.

Computers do it in seconds.

Any Corp that is manually searching through evemails is incompetent. Get better IT support and just have a computer run jobs to download mails and look for keywords, character names, etc. This is the stuff computers do well.

why are we equating RL jobs to EvE jobs? sounds silly and cringey to say the least, lol.

EvE job is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more serious than RL jobs and security should scale, imho.

Don't hand it out if you're a paranoid freakazoid. It's fine. No one is forcing you, just as you aren't forced to join any Corp.

Give or don't give. Totally up to you.

Dearest OP, my dear friend

You are completely correct of course.

It would be of great interest if you would please elaborate on your opinion you expressed in another thread that warring parties in EvE should not try to interdict each other's transports because that is against the Geneva Convention.

Thank you in advance.

I think you misunderstood that part. Of course the mails are not private for CCP employee's or anyone who has the API key. And with that in mind you can use it to a degree you are fine with. It's also a matter what you consider private at all (i consider a corp members RL name private too and won't tell it to someone else). The EULA part is still valid. Anyway we going out of scope here.

I think the whole point is that we have a feature that went a bit out of control or needs to be adjusted, like often in game design. That means i don't consider the feature broken, but sometimes certain features in a players hand causing effects you didn't tought about or are hard to tackle. Can flipping, former grid mechanics, contract scam, whatever...
If the API could give the account credentials, you would require it, be honest... :)

Nope, I get it. The fact that you useded EvE-mail, Facebook and Discord in one sentence made me think you didn't.

What simptoms make you think it's out of control?

So far I have only seen one man complaining. Though his most relevant and coherent argument was that the majority is always wrong, because most people are evil and stupid.

well if went for a job interview and they asked to see all my emails, social media, and my bank account balance, id simply walk out. you also have that choice within the game and in rl, nobody is forcing you do anything, but yeah this is a game and if you have sensitive info within a game then you are a bit of an idiot.