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Miner Extortion by Gankers

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Zaha Koto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#101 - 2017-02-05 23:51:41 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Zaha Koto wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Zaha Koto wrote:
Yet more whining from a whining ninny
You previously attempted to take me to task for calling you a whining ninny, yet here you are using the same phrase.

Such hypocrisy and a stunning example of "do as I say, not as I do".

Now GTFO.



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It seems more like monkey see, monkey do.


You just so need The Last Word™

Well you can't have it!!!
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#102 - 2017-02-06 03:48:39 UTC
Zaha Koto wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Zaha Koto wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Zaha Koto wrote:
Yet more whining from a whining ninny
You previously attempted to take me to task for calling you a whining ninny, yet here you are using the same phrase.

Such hypocrisy and a stunning example of "do as I say, not as I do".

Now GTFO.



I'm learning m8 Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile
It seems more like monkey see, monkey do.


You just so need The Last Word™

Well you can't have it!!!

Last word

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

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Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

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Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2017-02-06 04:13:21 UTC
Hazel TuckerTS wrote:
Heeeere code sissies come get me

See below

Whoa, I never thought I'll ever see so much content in a single post from miss Tucker. You guys must be inspiring.

By the way, I think miss Koto is kinda' sexy. I dig that look.

Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.

Lawrence Lawton
The Lawton School for Pubbies Who Can't Mine Good
Novus Ordo.
#104 - 2017-02-10 19:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Lawrence Lawton
Vito Molari wrote:
Clockwork Robot wrote:

And no friend... I don't believe CODE permission nor compliance affects someones decision to gank you one way or the other.

You are incorrect in your beliefs on this. It has a very significant impact on enforcement action selections.
Compliance, a permit, and a good attitude will go a long way towards an enjoyable experience with CODE agents who do an often thankless job for the greater good in a very professional manner.


What's the difference between a Hulk and a Skiff? According to Clockwork Robot there is none. I'd fly a dozen jumps to gank only one of them though. I guess he's trying to say that nothing can stop a concerted attempt, which is flattering and true, which is all the more reason for a miner to take the target off his back by following The Code.
Lawrence Lawton
The Lawton School for Pubbies Who Can't Mine Good
Novus Ordo.
#105 - 2017-02-10 20:14:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lawrence Lawton
Quote:

I noticed one chap who recently lost a freighter, he had brought his permit 30th January 2017 on the 31st he lost a Hulk and his pod to CODE followed up with a Charon and his pod with 8.8bn of stuff in it and then on 3rd he lost another Hulk and pod, and yet he is still showing his permit in his bio, I am sure on your logic he will think that permit is giving great value for money... Lol

Storytime!

You must be referring to Yogmiester Bashore. Yes, there is a great lesson to be learned from his case. He is one of those pilots who is too impatient to train, spending RL$ to inject his characters into whatever ship his calculations determine will be optimal, without taking the time to learn the political situation.

Kill: Yogmiester Bashore (Hulk) -- The first time I met Yogmiester he had purchased a permit the day before but failed to display it in his biography. He also chose to fly the weakest of mining ship and further weaken it by his choice of rigging. In post-gank debrief he claimed to have read The Code but was flabbergasted to learn that "Gallant tanks his ships to improve their EHP." His permit was revoked, but he purchased a new one and was given another chance.

Kill: Yogmiester Bashore (Charon) -- The next day his corpmates trusted him to haul their Azbel through Niarja. By this time he was displaying the permit in his bio. He decided against using bulkheads in favor of expanders (so he could carry more station containers) and was intercepted and relieved of his cargo. He was flabbergasted to learn that The Code doesn't apply to just miners. His permit was once again revoked for failure to tank, and he was placed on the Red Pen List for egregious offenders where he remains. He was also booted from his player corp.

For some reason he continues to display his revoked permit but his choice of ship gives him away as a violator every time:
Kill: Yogmiester Bashore (Hulk)
Kill: Yogmiester Bashore (Hulk)

Yogmiester is an example of what we call a bot-aspirant. He mindlessly aims for max yield at the expense of everything and fails to adapt to player-generated circumstances. He also serves as an excellent reminder that a permit is not a guarantee of safety; a permit is a promise to follow The Code.
Hazel TuckerTS
Doomheim
#106 - 2017-02-11 23:30:47 UTC
Heeere code losers
Come and toss my salad (_*_)

kiss kiss bang bang

Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#107 - 2017-02-12 00:20:19 UTC
Lawrence Lawton wrote:
Vito Molari wrote:
Clockwork Robot wrote:

And no friend... I don't believe CODE permission nor compliance affects someones decision to gank you one way or the other.

You are incorrect in your beliefs on this. It has a very significant impact on enforcement action selections.
Compliance, a permit, and a good attitude will go a long way towards an enjoyable experience with CODE agents who do an often thankless job for the greater good in a very professional manner.


What's the difference between a Hulk and a Skiff? According to Clockwork Robot there is none. I'd fly a dozen jumps to gank only one of them though. I guess he's trying to say that nothing can stop a concerted attempt, which is flattering and true, which is all the more reason for a miner to take the target off his back by following The Code.



That is what I was implying, dear Lawrence.
Hazel TuckerTS
Doomheim
#108 - 2017-02-13 00:34:55 UTC
I have been pleading for a code loser to come and get me, to no avail.
Mine as you please...i do

kiss kiss bang bang

Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#109 - 2017-02-13 04:50:24 UTC
must be pretty bad when even the losers wont pay attention to you.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2017-02-14 12:32:54 UTC
If you don't want to be ganked or reduce the chance of being ganked there are things you can do as a person.
1) Be active and not AFK mining (dscan skills, contacts with known gankers set to orange/red and being careful of local)
2) Choose the appropriate ship for the task; in 0.9 you might fly an untanked covetor (or mostly so) But this is only efficient in a fleet with boosts, etc. Solo retriever or procurer (It's almost never worth it to gank a properly tanked procurer)
3) Don't mine in places where gankers tend to be prevalent.

Extortion is not a career path laid forth by the training agents in the career systems but I guess concord hasn't vilified the extortion just anything where they might have to get involved with like the actual ganking.
Lawrence Lawton
The Lawton School for Pubbies Who Can't Mine Good
Novus Ordo.
#111 - 2017-02-15 20:37:57 UTC
Henry Plantgenet wrote:
If you don't want to be ganked or reduce the chance of being ganked there are things you can do as a person.
1) Be active and not AFK mining (dscan skills, contacts with known gankers set to orange/red and being careful of local)
2) Choose the appropriate ship for the task; in 0.9 you might fly an untanked covetor (or mostly so) But this is only efficient in a fleet with boosts, etc. Solo retriever or procurer (It's almost never worth it to gank a properly tanked procurer)
3) Don't mine in places where gankers tend to be prevalent.

Extortion is not a career path laid forth by the training agents in the career systems but I guess concord hasn't vilified the extortion just anything where they might have to get involved with like the actual ganking.

Might as well just tell them to follow The Code.
1) No AFK mining allowed.
2) Gallant tanks his ships to improve their EHP.
3) New Order territory is a safe space for suicide gankers.

Jacques d'Orleans
#112 - 2017-02-15 21:07:33 UTC
ReaperAussie Lennelluc wrote:
There are many Ganker corps out there extorting money from Miners, for Mining in the Area, wherever that may be.

They want Miners to "Buy" a " Permit" from them, which is NO guarantee that you will not be attacked.

These People should be stopped from extorting ISK from people to Mine.

Mining is a part of the game and does not need to be placed under a bounty situation for those whom do not want to fight or pay for mining.

Mining is free apart from buying the ships to mine with.

o7


Oh, it's one of those posts, again.
Jabba The
Tri-Star Deep Space Mining
#113 - 2017-03-06 22:55:09 UTC
Sad

I started playing Eve a number of years ago, I stopped 2-3 years ago due to the Code, i'm now back and maybe for just a short time as nothing has changed.

Let me start by saying that I have not had a problem yet but its just time, I have read a lot in the past few days and it saddens me as to the extent that the Code now goes to push people to the brink of in some cases the end. I know how I felt after spending 6 months playing the game to have it taken from me in the space og 1 hour by some keyboard warrior doing the bidding of the Code.

I have read the Code rules and at the start I thought that I might join, should people face having a ship destroyed if they start mining and they go do other stuff, yes why not. Many of the things Code say are good BUT its the callus, belittling attacks that take part in local or however they do it after that is straight out harassment and that is unacceptable.
What the Code are saying is that they don't like you game play and for 10m isk they might let you away with it and that's not right in a game. Its ok to do that if you pay me is what they are saying.

I find it interesting that the leader of the code has a name sighting a piece of the bible.

None of this is by accident, a very intelligent person has researched and controlled the GM's and rules so that there actions are accepted, they even celebrate pushing a person that has issues just spending some time playing a game for release (IMO) into the point of saying i'll kill myself, they then say well we are nice people because we put in a report telling of there possible harm, They again, the keyboard warriors, don't say that they helped push the person to that point.

But to guide this rant to an endhere are some things that are wrong with the game IMO.

1. I have to monitor chat in case one of these people decide that i'm next, I know that as soon as I get picked my game is over.
I'm no good at PvP (i would like to be but i'm **** at it. I like mining and doing missions, making things and to sell them to people that do like PvP. This is what happened when I gave up before, I was NOT AFK and had just started to mine Ice, I was told the day I started that 10m Isk or else, no rule violations just give me the money.

2. Within 5 min. my game and the fun I have had to build my stuff up is gone, just posting this post will no doubt bring my end within days. We will see.

Last, I don't blame the players as much as I blame the GM's, it has to be said they and they alone give the Code the power to do the crap they do, its easy GM's just have a PvP setting, if I want to battle other players I can and if not I don't have to.
I can already hear you saying that's the game if you don't like it go play WoW, WoW does not allow this action that's why these people are playing this game because the GM's allow it.

I could go on for hours but as bad as my PvP skills are so is my spelling and grammar. I like this game, Im happy to pay to play this game but for the love of god or in this case James315 or whatever his name please hear the players that just like to get on with there own bad selves.

Just 1 person but I pay just as much as you do.

JT
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#114 - 2017-03-06 23:42:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Jabba The wrote:
1. I have to monitor chat in case one of these people decide that i'm next, I know that as soon as I get picked my game is over. I'm no good at PvP (i would like to be but i'm **** at it. I like mining and doing missions, making things and to sell them to people that do like PvP. This is what happened when I gave up before, I was NOT AFK and had just started to mine Ice, I was told the day I started that 10m Isk or else, no rule violations just give me the money.
Like you I suck at PvP, unlike you I actively plan for and around it, in order to avoid it. Thus far it hasn't caught up, CODE. don't bother me, nor do wardec corps. I like to think that this is because there's legions of people out there that yield a far greater reward for exponentially less effort.

Git gud.

Quote:
2. Within 5 min. my game and the fun I have had to build my stuff up is gone, just posting this post will no doubt bring my end within days. We will see.
Did you somehow miss that this is a full loot PvP game where loss actually matters because your stuff doesn't automagically respawn when you die? Gathering stuff is PvE, keeping it is PvP.

Quote:
Last, I don't blame the players as much as I blame the GM's, it has to be said they and they alone give the Code the power to do the crap they do, its easy GM's just have a PvP setting, if I want to battle other players I can and if not I don't have to.
I can already hear you saying that's the game if you don't like it go play WoW, WoW does not allow this action that's why these people are playing this game because the GM's allow it.
The overall PvP setting is logging in, the spaceships PvP setting is marked "undock".

Quote:
I could go on for hours but as bad as my PvP skills are so is my spelling and grammar. I like this game, Im happy to pay to play this game but for the love of god or in this case James315 or whatever his name please hear the players that just like to get on with there own bad selves.

Just 1 person but I pay just as much as you do.
Eve is a PvP game, there are alternatives out there that aren't as PvP orientated, some of them even have private groups; you may find them to be a better place to spend your money as they cater to people who dislike the always on PvP nature of eve, like yourself.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#115 - 2017-03-07 00:54:54 UTC
Jabba The wrote:
Sad

I started playing Eve a number of years ago, I stopped 2-3 years ago due to the Code, i'm now back and maybe for just a short time as nothing has changed.

Let me start by saying that I have not had a problem yet but its just time, I have read a lot in the past few days and it saddens me as to the extent that the Code now goes to push people to the brink of in some cases the end. I know how I felt after spending 6 months playing the game to have it taken from me in the space og 1 hour by some keyboard warrior doing the bidding of the Code.

I have read the Code rules and at the start I thought that I might join, should people face having a ship destroyed if they start mining and they go do other stuff, yes why not. Many of the things Code say are good BUT its the callus, belittling attacks that take part in local or however they do it after that is straight out harassment and that is unacceptable.
What the Code are saying is that they don't like you game play and for 10m isk they might let you away with it and that's not right in a game. Its ok to do that if you pay me is what they are saying.

I find it interesting that the leader of the code has a name sighting a piece of the bible.

None of this is by accident, a very intelligent person has researched and controlled the GM's and rules so that there actions are accepted, they even celebrate pushing a person that has issues just spending some time playing a game for release (IMO) into the point of saying i'll kill myself, they then say well we are nice people because we put in a report telling of there possible harm, They again, the keyboard warriors, don't say that they helped push the person to that point.

But to guide this rant to an endhere are some things that are wrong with the game IMO.

1. I have to monitor chat in case one of these people decide that i'm next, I know that as soon as I get picked my game is over.
I'm no good at PvP (i would like to be but i'm **** at it. I like mining and doing missions, making things and to sell them to people that do like PvP. This is what happened when I gave up before, I was NOT AFK and had just started to mine Ice, I was told the day I started that 10m Isk or else, no rule violations just give me the money.

2. Within 5 min. my game and the fun I have had to build my stuff up is gone, just posting this post will no doubt bring my end within days. We will see.

Last, I don't blame the players as much as I blame the GM's, it has to be said they and they alone give the Code the power to do the crap they do, its easy GM's just have a PvP setting, if I want to battle other players I can and if not I don't have to.
I can already hear you saying that's the game if you don't like it go play WoW, WoW does not allow this action that's why these people are playing this game because the GM's allow it.

I could go on for hours but as bad as my PvP skills are so is my spelling and grammar. I like this game, Im happy to pay to play this game but for the love of god or in this case James315 or whatever his name please hear the players that just like to get on with there own bad selves.

Just 1 person but I pay just as much as you do.

JT

Wow...
First up if you or anybody are feeling RL negative emotions over eve that are leading you down a path of thinking life is pointless stop playing now. Go speak to any number of RL organizations that help people deal with this and do it promptly.

Second. You described the game perfectly. You can spend countless hours putting all your eggs into one basket and anybody else can come smash those eggs through any number of means not limited to Highsec ganking, Wardecs, camping/destroying anything that moves in target systems, blowing up/conquering stations/structures, market manipulation, scamming and many more. The trick is multiple baskets with multiple eggs and vigilance against losing it all. If you do lose it all pick yourself back up and build up again a little wiser and a little more experienced.

Finally Posts like this where you bring RL into this game are the problem. I honestly don't care about 99.9% of the player base irl problems/emotions. That may seem callous but I have family, friends, colleagues and the immediate group of online acquaintances whose lives I take an interest in. I do not have the time/energy to run around and check on every person I kill in an online game to make sure they are ok. Assume every single member of CODE. (and everybody else in the game you don't associate with) are in the same basket as me and also don't have the time or energy to check on your well being and assume you also have family, friends, colleagues and acquaintances who check on you. If you play the game with that in mind and assume everybody is out to have their fun and don't actually consider you one way or the other you are set. If this doesn't appeal to you a compeditive MMO is not for you as they are all like this to some degree.

Hope this helps

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Lawrence Lawton
The Lawton School for Pubbies Who Can't Mine Good
Novus Ordo.
#116 - 2017-03-07 04:21:09 UTC
Jabba The wrote:

It's easy--GM's just have a PvP setting, if I want to battle other players I can and if not I don't have to.

At least you're direct about what you want. Many of your fellow carebears feel the same way as you but, unlike you, they beat around the bush with nonsense about "nonconsensual PvP" being unethical.

A great man once said,
Quote:
Your vision of EVE cannot coexist with the real EVE, unless EVE is transformed either into a single-player game or a theme park.
That man is James 315, Supreme Protector and Saviour of Highsec.
You're precisely the type of carebear James warned us about. You're bad at EVE. You don't even like EVE. But you can't find anything better, so you would change EVE into Space WoW to suit your needs.
Hazel TuckerTS
Doomheim
#117 - 2017-03-07 18:59:49 UTC
code is dead...butt nugget!

kiss kiss bang bang

Hazel TuckerTS
Doomheim
#118 - 2017-03-07 19:00:37 UTC
Lawrence Lawton wrote:
Jabba The wrote:

It's easy--GM's just have a PvP setting, if I want to battle other players I can and if not I don't have to.

At least you're direct about what you want. Many of your fellow carebears feel the same way as you but, unlike you, they beat around the bush with nonsense about "nonconsensual PvP" being unethical.

A great man once said,
Quote:
Your vision of EVE cannot coexist with the real EVE, unless EVE is transformed either into a single-player game or a theme park.
That man is James 315, Supreme Protector and Saviour of Highsec.
You're precisely the type of carebear James warned us about. You're bad at EVE. You don't even like EVE. But you can't find anything better, so you would change EVE into Space WoW to suit your needs.



james can toss my salad

kiss kiss bang bang

Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#119 - 2017-03-07 19:06:37 UTC
Jabba The wrote:
....words fail me......



It seems EVE is not for you.



Star Trek Online is free to play and has zero PVP. You can even be a miner in it. You can walk in stations. You can beam down to planets. You get to wear nifty costumes.

Now GTFO, punk.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#120 - 2017-03-07 21:24:54 UTC
Jabba The wrote:
Sad


I have read the Code rules and at the start I thought that I might join, should people face having a ship destroyed if they start mining and they go do other stuff, yes why not. Many of the things Code say are good BUT its the callus, belittling attacks that take part in local or however they do it after that is straight out harassment and that is unacceptable.
What the Code are saying is that they don't like you game play and for 10m isk they might let you away with it and that's not right in a game. Its ok to do that if you pay me is what they are saying.



JT


You thought you might pay... but you didn't buy a permit.

You don't want to pvp and a permit was offered to you so you wouldn't have to, as much anyway... and you didn't buy a permit.

You were aware of the Code and the consequences of violating it... and you didn't buy a permit.

You bothered to write your rather long complaint about your real life problems with not having a permit... and you didn't buy a permit.

You've spelled out your vision of a game where you have some protection from CODE. ... and you didn't buy a permit.

Why, in the end, have you not bought a permit?

Highsec is worth fighting for.

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