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Joe Barbarian
Back Street Boys With Capital Toys
#1 - 2017-03-06 15:19:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Barbarian
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Mierin Arthie
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2017-03-06 15:25:58 UTC
Give all incursion sites escalation mechanics like wormholes. Not enough risk, even in low and null as it is.
Salvos Rhoska
#3 - 2017-03-06 15:29:48 UTC
If you want more engaging Incursions:

-Make the NPC spawns more randomized and unpredictable. (especially via ewar)
-Increase PvP involvement.

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Salvos Rhoska
#4 - 2017-03-06 15:30:41 UTC
Mierin Arthie wrote:
Give all incursion sites escalation mechanics like wormholes. Not enough risk, even in low and null as it is.

This too.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#5 - 2017-03-06 15:30:55 UTC
Move all incursions to low/null sec. Get rid of high sec care-bear incursion farming. Risk added.
Joe Barbarian
Back Street Boys With Capital Toys
#6 - 2017-03-06 15:32:59 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
If you want more engaging Incursions:

-Make the NPC spawns more randomized and unpredictable. (especially via ewar)
-Increase PvP involvement.


How would you increase PvP involvement? We're out there and we're running sites. Not our fault people wont tackle us.
Joe Barbarian
Back Street Boys With Capital Toys
#7 - 2017-03-06 15:33:46 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Move all incursions to low/null sec. Get rid of high sec care-bear incursion farming. Risk added.


This is about Null sec, please read the title and the actual thread.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#8 - 2017-03-06 15:48:59 UTC
Joe Barbarian wrote:
This is my first game changing idea, I'm after some honest feedback and any idea's the community might come up with.


Feedback #1. Post in the right section.
Salvos Rhoska
#9 - 2017-03-06 15:57:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Joe Barbarian wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
If you want more engaging Incursions:

-Make the NPC spawns more randomized and unpredictable. (especially via ewar)
-Increase PvP involvement.


How would you increase PvP involvement? We're out there and we're running sites. Not our fault people wont tackle us.


Im not sure.

Perhaps move all Incursions into LS.

Unfortunately that poops on LS PvE dwellers due to the system penalties.

But LS also can use the targets, and is wedged between NS/HS, allowing for more content from both directions, and LS force intervention.

Rather than HS Incursions benefiting from CONCORD, and NS Incursions benefiting from deep blue, on either side.

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Salvos Rhoska
#10 - 2017-03-06 16:01:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Jenn aSide wrote:
Joe Barbarian wrote:
This is my first game changing idea, I'm after some honest feedback and any idea's the community might come up with.


Feedback #1. Post in the right section.

GD is general.

Give him some leeway, and atleast post ontopic.

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Cade Windstalker
#11 - 2017-03-06 16:28:23 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Feedback #1. Post in the right section.

GD is general.

Give him some leeway, and atleast post ontopic.


Jenn is still correct, topics like this don't belong in GD and are routinely moved out of it.

Joe Barbarian wrote:
My vision is a TPPH with 2 starting gates (like NCN's in Assaults) Sub-capital gate and a capital gate. Now the capital gate wont unlock until the subcapital fleet clears the first 2 rooms. This capital gate leads directly into the 3rd and final room however when activated by a capital ship the site increases in difficulty.
Some idea's of the escalation:
- Swarms of frigates (which Frigates and Romi's currently track and kill fighters with ease before the sig radius increase)
- Self defences are activated on the tower and it begins to paint / neut / web / ECM multiple targets.

These are just 2 possible idea's that weren't really too much out of the box. There are other idea's that are floating around but would like community feedback on other possible idea's to make Incursions more engaging.


First off, your idea has the capitals sitting around doing nothing for a while. At least the NCN has both sides running at the same time.

Second problem, you're modeling things after an NCN, the site so annoying that CCP had to physically make it so you couldn't have a solid wall of the things because no one wants to bother running them. Even today some fleets refit to deal with NCNs rather than run them normally and hobble their fleet for the other two, better, sites.

The last problem here is you're trying to make Incursions attractive to people in Null. Even if you increased the rewards to match this increased difficulty it probably wouldn't compete seriously with Carrier/Super/Titan ratting and site running, and Incursions come with a constellation wide cyno jammer effect. This makes them somewhat safer to run, but it screws with Logistics and general operations for Null groups so much that they generally just insta-pop the Mom site as soon as they can to get back to business as usual.

I'm all for more group oriented Null Sec PvE content, but Incursions aren't the carrot to be dangling out for Null players here.
Salvos Rhoska
#12 - 2017-03-06 16:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Jenn is still correct, topics like this don't belong in GD and are routinely moved out of it.


Jenn's post is not ontopic, regardless of board (which in and itself is a violation of all board rules).
Nor is she an ISD to decide what belongs here or not.

You atleast posted ontopic, as did I. She did not.

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Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#13 - 2017-03-06 17:20:21 UTC
im against it.. just due to knowing how the eve community is and how they'll find some way to exploit it.

its another fozzie idea which will turn out badly like all his other idea's. I would however like incursions to spawn more often in null sec space and adjust the bounties compared to what high sec incursions makes , its ridiculously off balanced, null sec is supposed to make more isk but it doesn't and the incredible lack of spawn rates all over the area is so sporadic that its pathetic..
Cade Windstalker
#14 - 2017-03-06 18:48:45 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Jenn is still correct, topics like this don't belong in GD and are routinely moved out of it.


Jenn's post is not ontopic, regardless of board (which in and itself is a violation of all board rules).
Nor is she an ISD to decide what belongs here or not.

You atleast posted ontopic, as did I. She did not.


One, you're being incredibly pedantic here.

Two, you're not the topic police any more than Jenn and I are the GD thread police.

Three, your repeated attempts to police the thread topic are only serving to derail things further.

On that note if you'd care to has this out further may I suggest we take it to PMs? Smile
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#15 - 2017-03-07 05:25:03 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Jenn is still correct, topics like this don't belong in GD and are routinely moved out of it.


Jenn's post is not ontopic, regardless of board (which in and itself is a violation of all board rules).
Nor is she an ISD to decide what belongs here or not.

You atleast posted ontopic, as did I. She did not.


One, you're being incredibly pedantic here.

Two, you're not the topic police any more than Jenn and I are the GD thread police.

Three, your repeated attempts to police the thread topic are only serving to derail things further.

On that note if you'd care to has this out further may I suggest we take it to PMs? Smile


DID SOMEONE SAY THREAD POLICE?!

QUICK CALL ISD wait that's me.

Closed since OP remade post elsewhere.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#16 - 2017-03-07 05:42:27 UTC
ISD Dorim Bastorlode wrote:
Closed since OP remade post elsewhere.

In after the lock?