Intergalactic Summit

Actually I don't think any of those would do it.

I respect Pieter enormously-- he's kirjuun, a comrade, friend, and more. ... I also think that a person who holds the idea that the State doesn't dictate worship to its citizens probably hasn't tried to practice anything aside from typical Caldari secularism or the Way of the Winds.

Consider: the Achur faith is recognized by the Way as Wayism by another name-- and we still have to live apart, if we wish to practice it, or any part of our culture. Think about that a moment. We're such close kin as to be recognized as followers of the same faith, and yet even we are not allowed to practice our version if we're going to be part of Caldari society.

Yes, the Khanid Kingdom's nationals can practice their faith in private-- but they're the only Amarr who can, and you could expect that waiver to disappear right quick if they started trying to convert ethnic Caldari.

The Caldari wish to remain themselves, utterly, only, and exclusively. That's the heart of their quarrel with the Gallente: they will not be changed. No number of individual sacrifices seems likely to change that.

If the State were invaded, either by a military force or some rampant plague, and it became clear that the State would fall, I expect that all that could be done to slow the hostile advance and deny them the resources of their conquest, would be. I expect that in some system along the edge of Caldari space, colony ships would be prepared, and colonists selected, according to merit and proven dedication.

The Caldari way is to do whatever is necessary to survive what comes. The Way of the Winds teaches that the world is a crucible for burning weakness away. If survival means burning their homes and dispatching colony ships to distant stars, there to rebuild, I don't really doubt they'd do it.

Maybe some of those who remain would surrender (if that's an option), understanding that they won't be Caldari anymore. Others....

"The Winds care about us, not about you or me."

The survival of the Caldari as Caldari is what most matters to the Caldari.

The thing is, that while both beliefs share a lot in common, this is also a huge trouble when the question comes down to actual rituals. When they are performed again similar, but with significant differences, for a real Wayist seeing such a ritual can be considered as a mocking his own. I myself was raised between two religions and they sort of mix in my head, and that put me in quite awkward and embarrassing situations in the past.

And I agree with your following estimation of the durability of Caldari culture, Ms. Jenneth.

I am a Kameira. I do not wear sorrow on my sleeve and I do not fear fire on the horizon. War is what I am meant for. It is far uglier than words can convey but it is still my purpose. I should not have expected one so lost in life to understand the resolve of knowing who you are from the time you could walk.

Salivation is another ignorant interpretation about how a warrior should feel. I am prepared. I know my purpose.Friend? The State is no friend to the Empire Aria. They are allies of convenience with nothing in common. They traded with those who betrayed the Empire, they did not send aid in the fight against the Drifters when the invaded, they did not help when Sanist ships invaded the Bleak Lands. They have mutual enemies and an interest in keeping the Empire as "allies" in a proxy war. The Caldari people are still Heretics and enemies of god.

The Republic is full of followers of the Imperial Rite and so is the Federation. Both will gladly accept trillions more followers if the Empire so chose to offer them and both are open to other ways of thought. The Caldari people will not accept god, and oblivion was their alternative choice regardless if it was at the hand of a Templar or at their own.

No, Aria. that is what you think. Again you completely fail when you speak for me. Even if the Empire was diminished afterwards for a thousand years it would still be the holy duty of the chosen to do so The chance to increase the resources, territory, and followers of the Empire is secondary.It is your presumption of success, not mine Aria. Your assertions of arrogance are based on something I never said. The chosen of god can fail, we cannot be defeated. Destiny does not mean received, It means that what is to be risen towards. Falling is easy but rising never is. Again you presume to speak for me and again you are wrong.

Perhaps you should examine how the members of the State treat this.It is your side who is arrogant Aria. It is your side who thinks that two centuries of hot and cold war against a people who want to foster diversity and preach equality is equivalent. It is your side who makes comparisons to Atioth as if there will be a repeat and they are the Jove. Thinking that the resolve of the Empire will end or that we are not experienced in battle or prepared to fight and die for a thousand years to succeed.

Every Caldari in this thread has shown they will not accept the faith peacfully. And every Caldari in this thread has shown they think Reclimation is something to take lightly.

The State is in debt, its fleet is vulnerable, it is without allies, and its people have made themselves adversaries of god. There is only one path from here and we walk it now without knowing when it will bring us to the end.

But you should know what that end is.

Ahem.. My apologies for the outburst.

My original purpose for adding to this thread was simply to state that The Torchwood Institute's research and security assets are available at any time to those providing relief or reinforcement to the affected regions.

I share the sentiment that the Caldari people should come first to the State; but not at the exclusion or cost of lives outside the State.

Regardless of ideology, origin, or personal ethical codes; we are humanity. And this is a threat to all of us. The SoCT is indeed setting the table for us, we have but to arrive and help serve the meal as a collective whole.

Unlike my terrible example, I urge you all to ignore the bigots, racists, and isolationists for now; we have more pressing matters to attend to then their blathering rhetoric. By rendering aid, research resources, and communicating with all empires we serve the State ever more wisely.

We do know what that end is. The Amarr have never been shy about admitting that Reclamation is their end goal, just that the means of it are what is at question. They've also said that they are in no particular hurry - the Imperial Faith is not an apocalypse cult. There is no sense that the end of times is at hand, by any means. Long before they turn their attention to the Caldari, they'll fight the Matari again - and why not? The Matari are MORE in debt than the Caldari. Their fleet is WEAKER.

I'm not sure what analyses you're reading (I suspect you attend only a single author when forming your theories - yourself) but you are very much mistaken regarding the Caldari navy. The war against the Gallente didn't go on for two decades and neither has it always been a cold war. The war was active for a century and has been a cold war since, with exceptions.

Anyway, this isn't the time or place for a detailed discussion of a very LONG period of history. If you're interested, I'm sure you can either talk to people or else read around the subject in more detail.

War should be avoided, not sought. The Matari are already well along the way to peaceful conversion. War against them would unite the Federation against the Empire.

In fact I said hot and cold war Pieter. And I have read no author, my experience is on grid. Ask anyone knowledgable and they will tell you just how outdated the Caldari battle philosophy in capital warfare is. The more recent focus on improving the Amarrian fleet with the Armageddon and with missile disruptors should show you that the Empire is not ignorant of this weakness either. But very well. We can talk about it in person some time if you wish. In the end it does not matter how well you argue the State is not an ideal target though. It will not change what is inevitable.

The Empire is lucky enough to have quite a few trillion reasons to keep the Republic and Federation occupied. And you presume much about the willingness to go to war on behalf of their enemies.

No, the State could be washed away. Many in the Federation would shout about injustice but far more would be silent or welcome the income removing the megacorps would bring.

It's also not likely to stay only yours for very long. If one wished to widely deploy a theoretical cure in an effective manner, you make it vulnerable to being stolen, and then your opponent has the cure as well, and has had to make significantly less investment in it than you did. If you make guarding the cure a priority, then you will likely hamper your ability to deploy it in a timely manner to all of the affected individuals.

Potentially, your foe might also be able to reverse engineer your cure by kidnapping a recently cured member of your population and performing extensive tests. This would be more difficult, of course, and its feasibility depends upon the method of the theoretical cure.

Also, there are the dangers that the infection may escape from quarantine in one of the other empires, and then proceed to spread to your empire again, and possibly cause more widespread damage than it originally did. In this case, the danger is not as great as if there was a high chance of mutation, since your original cure would still work, but given the realities of how easily such an epidemic could spread between borders due to space travel, still something to worry about.

It is possible one could gain a brief advantage from keeping a theoretical cure to oneself, but it would in all likelyhood only be a brief one, that would confer no lasting benefit unless aggressively pressed as soon as possible, such as with an immediate all out invasion -- and it is probably too small a one for such a plan to work.

Well, I think we have diverted a bit too much from the initial message, lets get back to Reppola. Anyone has any ideas how he could be detained without starting intercorporation war and how to return Ishukone back into the fold?

I doubt, Lai Dai or the patriot bloc, will be tucking it in and zipping it up and coming to those terms in a hurry. To share information regarding this deadly pathogen , that has no cure, with our deadliest enemy, who would like nothing better than to make the Caldari race extinct, is sheer madness beyond belief

The State have the situation within the Caldari borders under control at this present time. Let us not panic do something we may all regret.

There is nothing more frightening to us Patriots , than you extreme far right liberals. Hopefully the Patriot bloc and the CEP will be able to rein you whackjobs and nutters in , before you do us all in.

Leemee know when you've finished CBRN 101, Horn. Then I'll take you semi-seriously.

The fact that this boils down to politics to you from word go tells me you really need to brush up on what the threat actually is.

And Kim, try to remember the answer this time; I was serving while you were a kid, both corpmil and Navy, so stow the superiority complex, and start checking profiles before smarting off. If you did, you'd know what I am, and what I do. The fact is, while you were busy having a heart attack on a sparring mat in front of Saissore's saber, and getting the hell beat out of you for your mouth running up checks your ass had to cash later, I was pulling ops you don't even have the clearance to look up, or the skillset to think about touching.

I was also there, with your hero, on Cal Prime.

Dismissed. One less who will be bothering with your half-breed ass.