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[Kyonoke] Contagion Tracking, Containment, Planning

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Lauralite Anne Brezia
Wolf Brothers INC
United Neopian Federation
#101 - 2017-03-03 16:35:36 UTC
I'll be keeping my eyes out in that direction. I have a JClone setup in Solitude as it stands, so whenever the SoCT structure is finished and access granted to capsuleers, I can be onsite shortly there afterward if I'm not already in the area dealing with UNF containment resources.

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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
#102 - 2017-03-03 17:13:28 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
News, pilots! The Society is convening an inquest at the Postouvin facility under construction.


Funny how this was a topic on the IGS Chat last night.

I find Elder Mentor Matshi Raish's comments to be... interesting

After all he is asking the Empires that have been afflicted to come together with the brightest minds to solve the issue something to my knowledge that has never happened

If this is a real Inquest, would not CONCORD be the authority to oversee such an unprecedented issue? Also are we looking at a criminal or medical situation?

There are many questions with this latest development.

We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#103 - 2017-03-04 16:02:35 UTC
CONCORD has not demonstrated much leadership on these sorts of things since its failed Operation Specter in YC115.

To be frank, that this effort is being undertaken by the Society, instead, gives me hope for a positive outcome.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#104 - 2017-03-05 03:07:04 UTC
Not sure this is news. Evidently Gallente civilians are concerned about the loss of rights of the civilians inside the Myrskaa quarantine zone.

Needless to say, quarantine shouldn't be breached because someone light years away is concerned about a single person. A quarantine breach could kill millions or billions.

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2017-03-05 03:21:13 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Not sure this is news. Evidently Gallente civilians are concerned about the loss of rights of the civilians inside the Myrskaa quarantine zone.

Needless to say, quarantine shouldn't be breached because someone light years away is concerned about a single person. A quarantine breach could kill millions or billions.


Classic Gallente! Freedom for all no matter the cost and no matter the consequence, they say!

I am going to exasperate over their stupidity. I am going to do it right now.

Spawn of a motherless female dog!

I need an entire bottle of whiskey.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#106 - 2017-03-05 03:24:03 UTC
I'll admit, Elmund, there are times when I sort of feel bad for those of you in the FDU.

Because, get this, those people have a say in your government.

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2017-03-05 03:30:47 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
I'll admit, Elmund, there are times when I sort of feel bad for those of you in the FDU.

Because, get this, those people have a say in your government.


And the FDU rep wonders why I kept binning the citizenship application forms and deleting them from my Evemail.

I will take a second bottle of whiskey.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Julianni Avala
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#108 - 2017-03-05 03:31:02 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Not sure this is news. Evidently Gallente civilians are concerned about the loss of rights of the civilians inside the Myrskaa quarantine zone.

Needless to say, quarantine shouldn't be breached because someone light years away is concerned about a single person. A quarantine breach could kill millions or billions.


This is most troubling. It's understandable they'd be concerned over the rights of their people, just as most everyone elsewhere is concerned about those being held in quarantine across New Eden. But we all must look at the bigger picture here. As Priano-haani said, a quarantine breach would only make things worse.

I pray deeply that this does not escalate. If these protests turn violent and action has to be taken against them, it will only further fuel the fires that are beginning to be fed when it comes to "Us versus Them". Not only this, but if the nano-dome is breached, then may God have mercy on the entire planet.

We all must try to look at this rationally. Fighting against each other will help no one but whomever set this all up. They are likely watching this all with a smile on their face.

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2017-03-05 03:46:07 UTC
The Gallente Humanist Association has at least one Alpha capsuleer in their ranks, which means that at least one of these protesting parties has the capability to get off-world and go do something really stupid in a quarantine zone. That means the worst possibility is well within their reach: sending a whole bunch of knuckleheads in bright t-shirts and holo-placards storming the nano-dome generators in an ill-advised attempt to free the quarantined citizens.

Let's hope they do not have the guts to do such a thing and stick to protesting outside the government buildings and being very annoying.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Doctor Valate
Delve Medical Services
#110 - 2017-03-05 10:01:19 UTC
There may be a way to safely study the Kyonoke agent inside the quarantine zone, and to begin cleanup measures.

I am unsure about whether infected persons can be treated by this method though.

Doctor Valerie Valate. Not to be confused with the other Valerie Valate.

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#111 - 2017-03-05 10:58:01 UTC
One concern of theirs, the protestors that is, seems valid. It shouldn't be even remotely difficult to organize one-way unmanned deliveries of supplies and such into the quarantined areas. If there are still survivors in there, at any rate. So if "supplies are running low, with no further shipments of resources being permitted to pass through the cordon for more than a week" is the case, you have to wonder what's going on.

The Megas are many things, but they're not that incompetent nor lacking in the resources needed to do these things.

Odd to say the least.
Julianni Avala
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#112 - 2017-03-05 11:04:15 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
One concern of theirs, the protestors that is, seems valid. It shouldn't be even remotely difficult to organize one-way unmanned deliveries of supplies and such into the quarantined areas. If there are still survivors in there, at any rate. So if "supplies are running low, with no further shipments of resources being permitted to pass through the cordon for more than a week" is the case, you have to wonder what's going on.

The Megas are many things, but they're not that incompetent nor lacking in the resources needed to do these things.

Odd to say the least.


As much as I hate to say it, the stopping of supplies may mean that those within the city are believed to be lost. It would be inefficient to deliver supplies when the people are either dead or on their deathbed. I don't mean to say that without heart. But it's the only reason I can think that they'd stop.

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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#113 - 2017-03-05 11:24:47 UTC
It is a possibility, but without confirmation of this eventuality the concerns raised remain valid. When they do not release this sort of information, it is only to be expected that there will be... reactions.

I am frankly surprised there hasn't been more violent attempts so far.
Julianni Avala
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#114 - 2017-03-05 11:27:22 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
I am frankly surprised there hasn't been more violent attempts so far.


I wouldn't be surprised if there were soon.

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TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#115 - 2017-03-06 19:55:27 UTC  |  Edited by: TomHorn
Gallente citizens should not expect any preferential treatment, everyone is being treated the same.

I dont mean to give any offence or to lay it on pretty thick, but i dont think any Gallente or citizens of any nation will be coming out of Myrskaa alive. Risk of making a mistake , by allowing someone out, that turns out to be infected by the pathogen , is to great a risk for the State to permit. Unless a cure is found , i think all inside Myrskaa will die.

Im sure, the State intelligence services are keeping close eye on the political climate within the Federation. Just in case , pressure from protest groups becomes to great and their government feels it needs to take action. I am sure there will be those within the Senate who agree with the protestors, and will be wanting some kind of action taken.
Jack Jomar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2017-03-07 13:24:11 UTC
While I can understand the concerns of my fellow citizens, my only response would be "What about the rights of the expatriate Gallenteans who have NOT been infected yet?".

Does something need to be done? Yes. Are the powers that be doing it? Probably, although we cannot currently see it (at least, not in any detail beyond the press releases). Should a bunch of protesters get involved? Only if they wish to get themselves and bunch of other innocents killed to assuage their need for action.

I feel bad for those who have lost, or are at least in the process of very probably losing their loved ones. But that doesn't make it right for them to endanger those who have avoided this catastrophe. It's harsh, but unless the SoCT can come up with something, it's what we have to live with, whether we like it or not.

So while the protesters are rightfully complaining about rights, the situation is this - the rights of the people dead or dying in that contamination zone end at the point of the rights of those who have not yet been infected to, y'know, not be infected. Just like the right of someone swinging their arms around ends at the point where another persons right not to get hit in the nose begins.

We should not be opening the borders of those zones. Instead, research and possible testing and deployment of cures within those zones is what is needed, if possible. These are the politics and rights of what is necessary to do the most good for the most people, both infected and non-infected.
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#117 - 2017-03-08 08:31:49 UTC
Once again, people here misunderstand the nature of liberty and democracy.

I am the first to admit that the named organisations are prone to going off the deep end prematurely, but they are not fundamentally protesting that infected persons should be released from quarantine. They are raising the legitimate concern that the Caldari State - known for its brutal dismissal of individual rights - is deliberately starving the trapped millions to save a little money. They may be lost, but deserve a decent fate. It would be more humane to eradicate the zone, but of course that might mean the State which has already landed us all in this terror through seeking an advantage without due care and attention, might have to forego yet more illegal experimentation.

If those quarantined are already dead, say so. If they're not, feed them for Pity's sake.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#118 - 2017-03-08 13:32:09 UTC
It is difficult situation, that is unfolding on Myrskaa. State are handling it with the due care and attention it requires, for those that remain inside the city and the families outside awaiting news, they are doing everything they can.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#119 - 2017-03-08 13:34:50 UTC
Except feeding them and providing them with necessary supplies and such. Because reasons.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#120 - 2017-03-08 15:25:36 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Except feeding them and providing them with necessary supplies and such. Because reasons.


I've heard those rumors Mizhara ,i cannot confirm or deny if they are true. If supplies are being stopped, im sure there will be an official statement about it.