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new market idea what do people think
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Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#21 - 2017-03-03 11:16:27 UTC
Nice idea, and yes it is needed. But your concept wont actually fix the problem. It is easy enough for pirate/ganker/enemy characters to simply transfer their goods to a neutral or NPC corp character. Or to make their purchases using the same. With the multiple character system there is no way of really knowing who you are trading with.


I still agree that it is needed. The system as it currently stands does not punish pirates and thieves, and doesn't force them to live with the consequences of their actions. Market manipulation and control of supply is one of the few weapons high sec status industrialists have for combatting this - and we can't even do that.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#22 - 2017-03-03 11:25:46 UTC
The person who supplies guns and bullets, beans and biscuits is the winner in a war, any war, every war.Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Acher0n Hades
Queens of the Drone Age
#23 - 2017-03-03 11:48:17 UTC
I can understand that you don't want to sell to or buy from the same player organisations that just ganked you.

But "only selling to blues" would make the "blue donut" alliances even richer and would make you think twice about reseting former allies. Beeing a small "we against everyone else" alliance would be harder if not impossible - or at least require much more hassle and alts.

An "ore shopping alt" in Karmafleet.. is that the way you want to go?
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2017-03-03 13:32:46 UTC
Hoping in to say this is a terrible idea that doesn't bring any benefits to anybody.
mkint
#25 - 2017-03-03 13:45:58 UTC
I see what you're going for here... if an organization wants to hassle producers, there should be consequences, as right now there really isn't. It's even an interesting theoretical approach... if someone wants to hassle producers it should be harder for them to acquire stuff produced. As has been pointed out though, in the practical world (as opposed to the theoretical world) things aren't so simple.

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#26 - 2017-03-03 21:54:03 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
This option already exists, in a matter of speaking, with Citadel Markets. Since you can control the access to the station, you have some control over who buys stuff, or at least you can make it harder for them to buy stuff. In reality it is a joke since anybody and just use an alt to get around it.

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Gwenaelle de Ardevon
Ardevon Corporation
#27 - 2017-03-03 22:07:05 UTC
Torin Corax wrote:
fritzzie wrote:
i don't care abut loosing stuff, it's only stuff. i was thinking of raising the importance of the builders and miners, just a new aspect where the small corps and the larger corps can make a difference without relying on combat, some people like to pvp, that's fine, some enjoy high-sec ganks, that's cool too, it is a group activity, the game is meant to be played many ways, i just see the value in this idea... would just add a new strategy is all i was thinking.


I know a few "hardcore" builders and miners, people whom have no interest in PvP (of the explosive kind) whatsoever....They wouldn't touch this idea with a ten foot pole.
They take selling stuff seriously. They sell to whoever is willing to pay.

I honestly wonder who in their right mind would use such a mechanic? I very much doubt there would be enough takers to justify the development time tbh.



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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2017-03-03 22:27:24 UTC
Gotta say I like the idea and wish it could work.

Unfortunately this game is Alts Online.



DMC

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Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2017-03-03 22:52:25 UTC
There is already an easy way IG to make sure you don't sell things to your enemies.... don't sell the ships and mods they tend to use and problem solved. Required zero extra coding or work. And unlike your plan there is also zero way for then to bypass it through the use of an alt. And it would be exactly as effective as this suggestion because they will simply buy the ship from someone else.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#30 - 2017-03-04 00:15:23 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Gotta say I like the idea and wish it could work.

Unfortunately this game is Alts Online.



DMC

This ironically is the counter to a LOT of normal sensical game play changes. The ability for alts to simply wipe it clean is kinda annoying but also an intriguing portion of the game.


TBH this is a really good topic and ideology to study as it mimics the ability to hide, chameleon style, by human beings in normal human interactions. Something humans cannot do on a physical level but something that they do on a virtual level which mimics the hiding we normally do in our minds; the idea of internalization of voice as a child is the initial hiding aspect for people. This aspect is actually brought to life in MMOs where alts can be attained and utilized as a way of escaping the consequences of ordinary everyday action and consequences.

It makes for an intriguing social theory study.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Sitting Bull Lakota
Poppins and Company
#31 - 2017-03-04 02:21:11 UTC
That actually sounds like a lot of fun. Player imposed economic sanctions could make for very interesting market dynamics.

Alts Online will just mean some people will take more advantage of loopholes than others which would be true regardless of the existence of alts.
Altplay isn't an issue; it's a feature Lol
Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2017-03-04 03:21:17 UTC
Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:
That actually sounds like a lot of fun. Player imposed economic sanctions could make for very interesting market dynamics.

Alts Online will just mean some people will take more advantage of loopholes than others which would be true regardless of the existence of alts.
Altplay isn't an issue; it's a feature Lol


..Issue arises when other people sell to the people you want to sanction. Go to Jita, buy whatever you want. Just because you aren't selling your Rokhs to someone, doesn't mean that 100 other people will follow suit.

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fritzzie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2017-03-04 08:54:35 UTC
maybe this idea would never work .... but still after all the reply's i still like the concept, maybe it wouldn't fix anything, but it would give some control to the suppliers, and for the people who don't care, they can raise their prices and still win, there will be buyers at a higher price for the same items. everyone has there oan ideas. and everyone plays the way they want, that's eve... that's what we are paying for, just want to have fun playing the way i want, just like the pvpers. but fly safe and have fun however you want to play.
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2017-03-04 13:50:38 UTC
Hakawai wrote:
Here's a suggestion so I can remember who you all are:
Create alts named after EVE ore types, give the characters appearances that would match the ore type
I dunno nuthin' about ore. Would you suggest me one? Or is it cool if I just name my Hakawai-stalking alt "Rock"?

Though I must add that it takes a great amount of hubris to assume that people follow you, and not interesting threads.

That doesn't mean I don't enjoy your posts - you have one of the most structured reasonings of the more vocal people who I usually disagree with.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#35 - 2017-03-04 14:35:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
fritzzie wrote:
simple thought, adding an option to your buy and sell transactions, to only buy and sell to people with standing you choose. a way to end some of the high sec issues from ganking and wardecs. people will change on their oan if they can no longer buy ships, ammo, and modules from the people they have bad standing with. and if they cant sell the stuff they stole from gate camps and hicg sec ganks.


So I can't buy ammo anymore at the market. I log out. Log back in to my alt account. Buy the ammo. Put it on the market so anyone can buy it (for a higher price of course) and/or transfer it to my other toon. Circumvented. Learn 2 EVE. NEXT.

Also, Features & Ideas is --------------> that way.
Gretek Moergyn
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2017-03-04 23:09:34 UTC
fritzzie wrote:
maybe this idea would never work .... but still after all the reply's i still like the concept, maybe it wouldn't fix anything, but it would give some control to the suppliers, and for the people who don't care, they can raise their prices and still win, there will be buyers at a higher price for the same items. everyone has there oan ideas. and everyone plays the way they want, that's eve... that's what we are paying for, just want to have fun playing the way i want, just like the pvpers. but fly safe and have fun however you want to play.


I like your idea.

If people want to take the trouble to log on with an alt just to purchase items their main is not allowed to purchase, more power to them. If certain undesirable categories of player want to purchase from me, let them work for it.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#37 - 2017-03-05 00:23:40 UTC
hmu-smh wrote:
Yes because alts are so hard to create in this game.

Man I swear some people IQ is lower than what my brains can comprehend.

Guess your brain can't comprehend a lot when you think IQ has any meaning beyond how good a person is at taking IQ tests.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Amojin
Doomheim
#38 - 2017-03-05 00:49:21 UTC
This only works if you run your own little 'ma and pop' store, and actually kick out the customers you don't like. If you are a major manufacturer, for example, you can't demand that Walmart not sell self-sealing stembolts to Nog, but YES, by all means sell them to Quark or Rom.

You can always keep all your stuff and sell to people exclusively by contract, but it sounds like more trouble than it's worth, unless you really, really, love your stuff. I do exactly this with my T2 Exhumer BPC's. If I like you, I'll probably burn you one for free. If I don't, go pay full price, chump. It doesn't really matter except that it's amusing. They're still gonna get one from someone else.
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#39 - 2017-03-05 01:58:07 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
poor wardeckers and gankers!
they have families too! Sad

how can you deny them some rice not wanting to trading with them What?
you're a monster!!!

They shouldn't be allowed to breed anyway.
Dimitrios Bekas
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2017-03-05 12:58:57 UTC
There is a PLace in Eve where you can do exactly THAT what you suggest here...
Not Selling to the Enemy
Miners/Manufacturing Guys/PI Guys more important...


Its called Null-Sec !!!!

Highsec is a free Market,...Capitalism at its MAX,...if you want "more meaningful Stuff" then get out of Highsec and support your SpaceBrothers™ in Nullsec with all your Non-PVP.Gamestyle.

No really, the idea behind it sure had a good start but it just makes no sense in Highsec and you can´t control it because Neutral Alts...
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