Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Can be, but better options exist for transporting high value cargo. The freighter is not the be-all-end-all of transport logistics.


Who lets them enter the death trap? Might it be the person flying the freighter? I'm thinking it's the person flying the freighter.


It's not a question of what one is "allowed" to do. It's a question of what one can do safely. The magic number that dictates this safe cargo value is dictated by the market, game play mechanics, gankers, freighter pilots. In fact, pretty much everything in EVE will have some degree of impact (albeit some would be minuscule) on this magic safe value.


I'm not sure about that. You can quite happily fill a freighter for much, much less than a billion ISK. If the value/m3 starts climbing too high, you'll want to consider using scouts/escorts, or just using smaller, more defensible ships to transport the much more valuable goods.

"Again, the value of the cargo shouldn't be the ONLY factor a ganker has to take into consideration when you are ganking something. There should be more penalties and consequences than just losing a worthless peice of ship that costs nothing to replace and only have to wait 15 mins until you can do the same gank over and over forever."
You're doing it again. You're stating your opinion but not actually explaining how these changes benefit the game.

"Again, my idea doesn't reduces opportunities for conflicts when you just have to work harder for your crimes to be able to gank as easily as you do now today."
The harder ganking becomes, the fewer people will engage in it for profit.

As of this writing, in the last 24 hours, there has been one, ONE suicide gank on a freighter in HiSec.

And you think that suicide ganking of high value targets is so endemic that we need a mechanics change to stymie the activity.

Really? You're really advocating this argument right here?

"This is a very simple and effective system that should be in EVE, like today."
Apparently so.

Still doesn't change the fact that there should be a criminal system in EVE that treats criminals like criminals and not like 'Oh you was bad and now you are only bad boy for 15 mins' system like we have now. The 15 minute Concord timer is way to little of a penalty when you considers the gain you get for doing it.

Yes, you lose a ship for ganking, you can be shot for 15 minutes by everyone and you lose some few million isk for ganking in a super cheap Destroyer. But those things has no effects what so ever to reduce the ganks that happens. Aka, the current penalties doesn't work. The only penalty that somewhat works are the 15 minute Concord timer. And that's pretty much it. And that's way to little of a penalty for doing a gank, specialluy when you can just keep doing it over and over again without any harsher penalties.


Read over why i have proven that the current criminal system towards gankers are useless. If there had been a limit on hoe much you could gank every day, then there wouldn't be an issue, but as you can just do it forever every 15 minutes, then the criminal system should either use a limit on the amount of ganks you can do in the same way as now without any other changes, OR it should make doing crimes harder to do the more you do it without any limits. Again, work for your crimes. And in the current form of ganking, there is no work for the actual ganker on doing his objective.

That's why it needs to be changed.


You might disagree with me, but explain why you are against a criminal system that treats criminals as criminals that does it so the criminals have to work more and more the more ganks they do?

Again, if you steal a pack of bubblegum from a store every day, do you think you will get a free pass to go freely around without gaining huge penalties or even jail time for doing it enough times?

Again, a criminal is supposed to be treated as a criminal, specially in a game that is only about humans flying spaceships.


Ahh ok, so you are blind. Thanks for confirming it.

Make effort in reading what i'm saying.

We're very much aware that you've repeated this sentiment many times. What we're asking is [b]WHY DO YOU THINK THIS CHANGE IS NECESSARY?[b]

This is the question you're seriously struggling to answer.

Freighter pilots and what they do have no relation to the OP. The OP suggests that criminals be required to manage their security status properly. This is based on gankers being able to stay invulnerable (by staying in warp) as well as being able to avoid Faction Police indefinitely until their gank is complete.

Those who continue to troll their own agenda about freighter pilots and how they are irresponsible have been reported. I have told you that this issue has already been talked to death in previous posts and has no bearing on what the OP is seeking to accomplish.

Yes, that's what they do and that's what they are supposed to do to be able to do their job effectively towards customers and so on.


The gankers who can just easly gank them without good enough penalties that works against them that just ganks dependent on their cargo value and not because of the penalties they will face. Both the value of the freighters or other ships with the cargo and the penalties you get for doing the gank should be a factor if you will be doing the gank or not.


Again, you are deciding if the ganks are worth it ONLY because of the value and not because of the upcoming penalties you get on top of that. There should be a system that makes you think about the penalties before you do a gank to really see if it will be worth the gank.

It's a super easy system that will work.



No, i'm stating the hard facts on how easy it is to do ganking as explained over. You just warp to the target from somewhere, press F1, warps back to station in a pod. Fits up a new ship that takes 10 seconds and undock, then it's rince and repeat. This is not opinion on how that's done, because that's exactly how it is done for the actual gankers.

What evidence do you have to say freighters are undocking into a deathtrap? Using the data gathered from the largest hauling organisation in EVE, Red Freight, a freighter has a less than 0.20% chance of getting ganked per 1.7 million gate jumps in highsec.

NightmareX .... Don't run in circles with them. They are merely trolling. Only respond to meaningful things related to the OP. If they want to go back and read your previous posts, then they are free to do so.

That's not a fact, that's an opinion. I'm of the opinion that the penalties for ganking are overbearing and create a false sense of security amongst the unwary.


The 15 minute timer is a game mechanic which CCP controls. The gains from piracy are not, which CCP do not control. You can't fix the latter by tweaking the former.


OK. Go kill someone that deserves some death in HiSec.

No? Looks like those deterrents are doing something after all.


Oh look, it's the root of the One More Nerf argument: "Ganking is fine, I just think there is an issue with..."

Depending on circumstances, gankers have 2 - 24 seconds to complete their gank from the instant they open fire. Faction police do not impose this limit, CONCORD do and this limit cannot be evaded (doing so is an actionable offence).

So again, the freighter pilots has to work their asses off while you as a ganker can just warp into the targets and do your job without any more work than that?

The fact that you think that's fair says all about you. You are a massive ganker that knows how easy and how much you gains by doing it and does everything to defend against, because it makes you work for your actions.


As i have said earlier, having an alt with a webber is not going to prevent the freighter from dying if some gankers really want that freighter dead as they will have multiple bumping Machariels pleaced out in every directions that will try to bump the freighters out of allignment in few seconds.

I know how fast a nano Machariel can be, so don't teach me on something i have learned many years ago.

And what does an intel channel help against gankers if there is Machariels everywhere that the freighter pilots can take as a bumping Machariels. Should the freighter pilots just stop doing his job because he sees a Machariel?


Again, you are making no sense as you aren't discussing the actual issue of how easy the criminals can get away with doing ganks. If you want to have a discussion, then talk about what the case is about. And the case is giving criminals a system that makes them work harder for doing criminal acts. That's all.


Being greedy has nothing to do with how criminals should be treated. You can still be greedy as hell but not without harsher penalties and still at the same time being able to do as many ganks then as you do today with some more work for your criminal actions.


Ofc ganks always will be there. But ganks shouldn't come without penalties or consequences that makes the gankers think about those things before they do a gank.

And lastly. I have explained you in highly details on why criminals should be treated as crininals and not like a '15 minute naughty boy' as you do now.

If you don't want to give reasonable arguments back on why that's a bad idea, then don't expect someone to take you seriously either.