EVE General Discussion

OK. Let's 'remove' or 'delay' Local.

Attackers:
- have map statistics (NPC killed, SOV indexes, number of players, in general interesting systems are not many and well known to anyone)
- have instant anomalies list
- have almost instant d-scan
Result: gang moves not to 'nowhere' but to well known systems where they can find someone. Upon entering they glance on list of anomalies, d-scan and then tacklers warp to some signatures with pretty good chances to catch unsuspecting victim there.

Defenders:
- have manually managed intel channel (note: won't work if aggressors can pass undetected)
- have d-scan (note: does not help against recon(?) ships)
- need to be in anomaly for long periods of time
Result: like in WH people will get tunnel syndrome pressing d-scan every second or they will put alts on gates.

Well... Unless we get some replacement for local i see very big disbalance here. And no 'home bonus' at all.

Edit: If i'm not mistaken, WHes have local semi-automatic alarm system. It called "WH collapsing + Automatic signature appearing". In general when you close all WHs to your system you have means to detect any try to visit you. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Yep, that about sums it up.

The "home-field" advantage is from profits from developing the system, and proximity to your own structure and blues.

Ive made no pretenses about this probably benefiting the attacker more than the defender as compared to the current situation.

Whether that is good or bad, depends on whether one thinks PvP conflict, or safer PvE is a priority.
I think the former.

D-scan is apparently in the pipeline for an overhaul, but it may be just a UI change.
I think its safe to say many people dont like d-scan spamming, and spam-clicking sucks as a game mechanic and isnt great for our carpal tunnels either.

Cloaked ships/d-scan immune ships present a problem. A delayed Local ID might remedy that, to identify persistent cloaked/d-scan immune ships in a system.

Theŕe is the question then of Malcanis' Generalised Law, as to will this benefit larger entities excessively compared to smaller ones.
Im not a fan of this "law", or its generalisation past its original text. In either case, its a more onto a litmus test, than an axiom.

Im not convinced removing Local ID from Player Sov will result in steamrolling of smaller entities, atleast not without commensurate opportunity for smaller entities to benefit from the same change, especially against other smaller entities.

As Ive said earlier, I am of the position, that Local ID has a suppression/dampening effect on PVP in Player Sov, as an artificial, automatic and free source of intel that currently favors running and hiding, rather than aggression. It enforces a fake "peace", where attackers are telegraphed to targets, and can run to hide well before they are at real, present risk.

WTF? Do you even play this game?

Why the hell would you need to use dscan or combat probes? The ships will land on grid with you. Just look at your overview.

The lack of knowledge on display in that post is not surprising, nor the first time.

So you want to make ratting in Player Sov the safest of all sectors, with the greatest rewards, than anywhere else?

How the fk does that make sense?

If you get hotdropped, too bad, too sad.

Local ID doesnt change cyno mechanics.

If you have a problem with cyno mechanics, take that up with CCP.

You didnt use "my logic".

You used your own to contrive a patently stupid suggestion that the most lucrative and autonomous sector in EVE, should also be the safest with exclusive access to free automatic Local ID.

Your suggestion would turn Player Sov into a safer space than HS.

Wtf are you smoking? Slap yourself, repeatedly, till you come to your senses.

Just quoting this again so it doesn't get lost in misdirection.

It needs to be seen by others to see the calibre of game knowledge being argued here.

Cyno off grid, as a serious statement, when hot dropping. Lol.

What. Lol. No.

You won't know the composition beforehand. That was pointed out to you earlier.

That completely stupid post about knowing the composition of the hot dropping fleet by using dscan or combat probes is totally yours. No one else's. We all seem to understand the game fine.