Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Obligatory can i have your stuff?

It seems that you don't understand what i'm talking about here. I haven't been talking anything about how the gankers will adapt and all of that. All i have said is that the more they gank, the more Concord will hunt after the actual ganker, like in real life if you goes around stealing stuffs. The more you streal, the more the police will be on your ass busting you.

And to the other things you said. The reason i want ganking to be harder is because being a criminal is something you are not supposed to be, specially not all the time without massive consequences. If you are a criminal in real life, you wont be able to do those crimes for many times before you are busted by the police anyways where you wont be able to do those crimes for a long time again.

And why should the gankers have it more easy to do ganking over the freighter pilots doing freighter runs in high sec?

Again, all that is needed to stop a whole freighter run is a single Machariel. Is that fair towards the freighter pilots when the others peoples have no direct tools to stop a gank fest to stop?

Yes, why should you be able to easily stop a freighter or kill it when we others can't do that towards the gankers before it's to late?

Then check mine.

Ganking is fine and im a miner and freighter pilot. In fact ganking needs a buff.


I think its funny though, the only people who want ganking to be nerfed are carebears that don't know mechanics or have to lie to try and make a point.

Like i have said, the ganking in it self are fine. What's not fine are the consequences the gankers gets after a gank. The consequences are WAAAAAAAY to little / small over what it really should be. It's that simple.


Well, there are many other countries than USA out there though. And now i'm not talking about walking around with 100.000 dollars or something like that. I'm talking about maybe 2000-3000 dollars that is considered ALOT for most normal peoples.

So yes, you should be able to walk around with that amount of money. However, if you get robbed or something, then the police will find those guys and punish them hard for stealing my money. And if they are even continuing to steal money from others after they are released the first time for stealing, then their punishment will be even harder.

That's what i want to see in EVE. I want to see the criminals get punished harder and harder the more crimes they do. This is again a normal thing to do towards criminals in humans nature. So i don't see why this can't be in EVE.


Did you even bother to read what i said?

I said that one moment the local can be clear for the Freighter pilot to jump in, but the next moment after he have jumped in, there can be a Machariel arriving at the gate that will ruin the Freighter polits day. Not only that, but Destroyers are fast and can take several jumps from the system where the Freighter is and arrive on the Freighter in no time.

So how many Machariels does the Freighter pilot have to set red and how many alts do the Freighter pilot needs to be able to scout himself several jumps ahead to avoid getting caught be some gankers who can again, take several jumps in no time in Destroyers and arrive on the Freighter before the Freighter even have been able to enter warp?

Basicly, the Freighter pilots will have a hard time doing their business with just the Freighter alone, while you gankers can just freely fart around shooting whatever you want, without any problrms or anything?

And you are suprised to see peoples reacting to the stupid system that is now that wont punish players harder and harder the more crimes they do?


1. I'm again not against getting ganked for traveling with to much stuffs in the cargohold. Read what i'm talking about.
2. One scout is not going to be enough for a Freighter pilot anyways as he will need to be scouting several systems in advance for the Freighter pilot to make sure it's ok. So that again, is just stupid.
3. Why should he need webs on an alt to be able to do his business?
4. You shouldn't have to tank your freighter as a normal practice. If you know you are going to low sec or any other areas that are SUPPOSED to be dangerous, then it might be something else.
5. And as you are so sure to die, then i don't see the problem with a system that punished the criminals harder and harder the more crimes they do because the Freighter pilots have such high chance of dying without having to use a billion alts and stuffs.

So again. Give EVE a system that punished the criminals harder and harder the more crimes they do, because that's freaking logic.

And why should a Freighter pilot be in need of an alt or others to be able to fly around?

As i have said a million times. I'm not against you guys ganking freighters and that. I'm against the lame system against criminals in EVE that is in EVE now. EVE needs a new system that takes into account on how much a criminal does ganking or crimes where the Concord will be harder and harder the more crimes you do.

Sure, you can gank 3 freighters a day, but you will have issues later to do anything in high sec for one day then.

Hint. A fast locking ship on a gate wont stop the actual ganking. If some gankers can force the Freighter or any other ships to be killed, then there should be a system where the Freighter pilot / others pilots also should have more power on their hands where the Concord will punish the gankers harder and harder the more they do their crimes.

Why should everyone else be totally defenseless against ganking that will happen every 15 minutes when the gankers have the luxury of doing the crimes with a success rate of 99% where they can't be stopped?

Don't you think there should be more consequences for the criminals this way when the non-gankers are so defenseless against being ganked?

I know about many players out there who are flying Freighters alone, because they are alone in their own corp.

Please explain how killing a ganker en route (or just holding him in place while the facpo do it for you) doesn't save a freighter.

Please explain how jamming a ganker doesn't stop them ganking.

Please explain how shooting a ganker in the face before concord show up doesn't save a freighter.

Please explain why a solo freighter pilot with zero precautions taken and 5bil in their hold should be immune to the specific, targeted and organised actions of two dozen other players.

Please explain how being free to engage anywhere by anyone any time is not a penalty.

Please explain why being chased through highsec by facpo who WILL kill you if you're slow to warp is not a penalty.


Please explain, exactly, how anyone is defenceless, how gankers cannot be stopped, how freighter pilots have no options and how making highsec an awful lot safer for people who aren't even at thier keyboards is good for the game.


In short, no, I do not think there need to be extra penalties for gankers. I think there need to be extra penalties for lazy and/or stupid freighter pilots who think they are invincible because they are in highsec.




I know of people who are out in thier Nyx alone because they are in one man corps. Doesn't make a super any less of a corporate asset now, does it.

The issue here that you don't seems to figure out is that a single ganker is not the problem here. The problem is when there are like 100+ gankers on one freighter or whatever. That is impossible to stop.

So why should Concord be so friendly against those gankers when there is no ways to stop a gank in that scale?

And why shouldn't Concord punish criminals harder and harder?

You are a criminal after all and not a wonderboy.


A Nyx can't enter high sec. Yes, we are talking about Concord and high sec here here if you haven't figured that out yet.

I don't think nerfing it would necessarily make it die, although it that is a possibility. But I largely agree with your point it is a fundamental part of the game because of the core aspect of the game, "If I accept the consequences of shooting you, I can shoot you...anywhere in game."

The OP and his few supporters want to ratchet up the consequences. That has been the path CCP has been on. CONCORD getting tougher. Fine not much happened. CONCORD got faster. CONCORD locked people in place as soon as they engaged in illegal aggression. Insurance was removed for suicide ganking. Along with it was the increase in war dec costs. And then the removal of the watchlist, another nerf to wardecs.* All the changes to CONCORD and ganking have lead to a rise in professional ganking groups like Miniluv and CODE. Trying to catch those guys is now work. It is work because they have perfected their profession. And now they mostly gank for profit, and there are plenty of fools to give them that profit.

As for war decs those have been reduced to camping trade hubs and roaming the trade lanes along with mass wardecs by big war deccing alliances. Now people complain quite regularly about that too.

My response to both those whining about suicide ganking and war decs. You idiots made your bed now lie in it. You whined and complained and CCP reacted "in your favor" or so you thought. Now you got the result. Did you expect the suicide gankers and war deccing alliances to NOT adapt? Well then you were stupid.

*Yes, yes, yes I know! Some Bad™ is going to come along and say, they removed the watchlist becuase..."Blah, blah, blah....". I know. But it was still a nerf to targeted war decs. I have always maintained that if you change mechanics to do X but also screw Y then that is likely a bad change.

Or gank the bumping mach. Those ships tend not to have big tanks, they are fit for speed and agility vs. tank.