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From the creator of... "400m for a PLEX...?"

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enterprisePSI
#21 - 2012-01-20 10:51:33 UTC
Is this the e pennis thread? I make 3 x times ur isk by logging once a day and updating 10 orders. O_O

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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#22 - 2012-01-20 13:29:31 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
Derath Ellecon wrote:
factory planet


Yeah, here's the difference...last time I ran factory planets it was in highsec and I touched them once a week, period. :p This requires near-zero capital expenditure, though, so its nice for our newbies and it leaves me to use my capital elsewhere.


Either way, I think the point is that we both have easy, low-effort, mostly-passive incomes on the side and can laugh at all the whiners.

enterprisePSI wrote:
Is this the e pennis thread? I make 3 x times ur isk by logging once a day and updating 10 orders. O_O


Sure is a good thing that PI is a side-income specifically reserved for account maintenance rather than my primary income source, then. Roll

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Christina Trild
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-01-20 22:54:09 UTC
12 plexes bought at 350 waiting to go on sale TwistedTwisted
Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
#24 - 2012-01-21 18:02:43 UTC
PI gives 8 bil/month for 30 min average work per day.

@enterprisePSI How much ?

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Christina Trild
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-01-21 21:21:56 UTC
Invictra Atreides wrote:
PI gives 8 bil/month for 30 min average work per day.

@enterprisePSI How much ?


WAIT WHAT ? I never bothered with PI and you are now telling me i could have made good isk?
Mickov brat
TheBlacklist
Fraternity.
#26 - 2012-01-21 22:37:03 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Aoki Ayumi wrote:
C'mon... 500m for a PLEX? Are you mad?

It was unavoidable due to the fact income levels for the bulk of players (highsec dwellers) have been steadily going up due to various changes and improvements made to the game in the more or less recent past, and the general population has been taking advantage of it more and more.
Solution ?
Nerf "easily accessible" and grind-based highsec income levels.
In particular, incursion income, but also to some degree L4 mission income, and a tiny bit also PI, but only a tiny bit.
Most of the other things are fine.
If you do, PLEX price will come crashing down as less people can easily afford to pay that high price.

It's just supply and demand, afterall, and you can't exactly regulate the supply of PLEX directly (although the bulk purchase discount offers were a small step in that direction), you can only nudge the demand at a given price level.


I think that thats only one half of the problem. Other half is price of isk on black market. Atm u can buy 1b for 10e which is much cheaper than buying plex from ccp. Theres also the ease of boting in this game thanks to the belt rating and courier missions.
It would be wery interesting to see what would happen if belt rats would stop spawning and if there wasnt any courier missions for a week.
enterprisePSI
#27 - 2012-01-22 11:59:28 UTC
Invictra Atreides wrote:
PI gives 8 bil/month for 30 min average work per day.

@enterprisePSI How much ?



6bil per month, about 1min work per day Cry

fine, i ll do some PI too.

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Wookie 1
#28 - 2012-02-11 22:53:55 UTC
Also who said the Market wasnt inflating, Trit just hit 4.6 a unit. Plex has kept goign and is at 520 and Drakes are 43 Million. (Yes, that is an unscientific basket of goods but still)
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#29 - 2012-02-11 23:40:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Edit: worst forums ever.
Spineker
#30 - 2012-02-12 00:28:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
You could always get a job and pay 14.95 a month or even less if you buy up a few months.

On an hour to hour ratio paying 14.95 is by far the better way of paying for a game. Take some people many hours to get 500 mil
Alain Kinsella
#31 - 2012-02-12 04:21:33 UTC
Spineker wrote:
You could always get a job and pay 14.95 a month or even less if you buy up a few months.

On an hour to hour ratio paying 14.95 is by far the better way of paying for a game. Take some people many hours to get 500 mil


I still believe the 'sweet spot' is the six month sub, its around $12/month. Yearly is cheaper, yes (hello Akita), but working off of 6-month intervals give you the opportunity to unsub on a bad release (which I did do on one account).

For SL I did yearly subscription, was OK (other than those devs making a sub pointless). Gametap I got F'd over badly doing that (long story), so on balance I'm not fond of yearly subs.

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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#32 - 2012-02-12 04:54:11 UTC
Akita T wrote:

Solution ?
Nerf "easily accessible" and grind-based highsec income levels.
In particular, incursion income, but also to some degree L4 mission income, and a tiny bit also PI, but only a tiny bit.
Most of the other things are fine.


Nerfing things like PI (which is an ISK sink due to the tariffs unless you put up a POCO), is a stupid suggestion. I'm shocked that you would make that suggestion, Akita T, since you usually have a firm grip on faucet vs sink. All of the income from stuff like PI, mining, Loyalty Points, R&D agents comes from other players being willing to pay another player ISK for the item. If the players over-supply the market, people who do things like PI, R&D agent farming, etc. prices drop and those items are worth less per unit.

The only reason that player-supplied goods rise/fall is supply vs demand. A new FOTM pops up and people stop consuming one item and switch to consuming a different item. Which leads to temporary shortages and over-supply until the producers figure out that the winds have shifted and change what they make to meet the new demand.

If you want to lower inflation, look at things that generate magical ISK out of thin air, like the Incursion ISK reward, or mission rewards, insurance payout or rat bounties. Swap some of them for things that have to be sold to other players. Or add some new ISK sinks, or increase some existing ISK sinks.

Mostly, it's because there's a lot more ISK then there was 3-4 years ago. More ISK sitting in wallets, more ISK moving around between players as CCP has moved more of the economy towards being player-driven (less NPC sold goods), along with 3-4 years of non-stop mission rewards, rat bounties, anom payouts, whatever. Players are simply richer then they used to be and it's a lot easier to make 100M these days because of all the ISK sloshing around.
Spineker
#33 - 2012-02-12 07:30:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
Well it is Akita.

His beliefs change with what ever he is doing. Plus it is a guy pretending to be a girl.

Ignore stupid Epeens.
Spineker
#34 - 2012-02-12 07:36:29 UTC
I mean Akita is so stupid she would nerf missions more than they have been over the years. What we need to nerf is 0.0 and Low Sec and stop the elitist bullshit. They make isk hand over fist for very little work. They cuss highsec why? They rat on 5 million rats and whine their EPeen tears. **** them and their ignorant nonsense.
Spineker
#35 - 2012-02-12 07:38:48 UTC
0.0 can make billions of isk with far less concern than highsec. To tell anyone otherwise is ********. It is free isk actually as far as risk vs reward there is no risk. Hell I could join a TardAlliance in 0.0 and make tons of isk with no risk at all. Don't believe the blow.
Terri Sanders
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-02-12 10:30:23 UTC
Xylorn Hasher wrote:
Fanfest is the reason.
Next year buy additional plexes earlier for that event to cover gametime for the months when PLEX prices hit the roof.
Fool.



That's good advice. Do you think the prices will drop under 400 when the summer slump hits?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#37 - 2012-02-12 12:11:09 UTC
Terri Sanders wrote:
Xylorn Hasher wrote:
Fanfest is the reason.
Next year buy additional plexes earlier for that event to cover gametime for the months when PLEX prices hit the roof.
Fool.



That's good advice. Do you think the prices will drop under 400 when the summer slump hits?


You can look at evemarketeer to know where price should go during next summer.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#38 - 2012-02-12 13:51:06 UTC
People need to stop panic-buying the PLEX because "OMG THEY WENT 10M LESS!!! BUYBUYBUY!" I mean 4500 orders filled because PLEX are at 475? WOW 475M BARGAIN HUH? No. **** off. If you just stop buying, the sellers will freak out that it's crashing, sell to the buy orders, everything will drop like a stone, and we will enjoy a nice cheap PLEX again. The market is at a rather precipitous point right now and it won't take much to make the prices drop again. But panicking like retards won't do that.
Wookie 1
#39 - 2012-02-12 14:01:06 UTC
In reference to something Scrapyard Bob said a few posts back. Since when has it been easy to make 100 million ISk a day. Or on a slight tangent if I am missing something here, what in the hell is it?

Because seriously 15-20 Mill a day is most I have seen. Again might be me.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#40 - 2012-02-12 16:16:06 UTC
Wookie 1 wrote:
In reference to something Scrapyard Bob said a few posts back. Since when has it been easy to make 100 million ISk a day. Or on a slight tangent if I am missing something here, what in the hell is it?

Because seriously 15-20 Mill a day is most I have seen. Again might be me.


Since everyone had 15 alts.
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