Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you check the ship tree for omega symbols, you can see the pirate faction ships aren't blocked from a faction's side, but from the pod. I think CCP actually wanted to keep the cross-faction training as an option for alpha clones at some point, but not allowing them to fly pirate ships. And the game does the job for you, because you can code this: more than one faction skill required = omega only.

I think that's probably the point of the specialized haulers, because overall they don't fit anything close to a Freighter and the only things they can haul are PI goods, Ore, Minerals (but not both in the same hauler), and charges. All of these are pretty basic goods, I think CCP wanted to make it safer to haul moderate quantities of them without making it easier to haul 2b in random modules through High Sec.

I don't really agree here. The basic industrials offer flexibility and can haul the 99% of items that fall outside what the specialized industrials hold. Also those numbers you've provided are a bit skewed. Noxicium is on the more valuable per m3 end of minerals, and it's unlikely anyone would put anything like that much value in a single T1 hauler since if you really need to you can smart bomb it to death on a gate in High Sec.

Same goes for using officer modules in a comparison. That's ridiculous and we both know it.

The P2s and the compressed ore are more realistic, but I don't think either of those amounts is particularly absurd considering inflation. You can still easily fit more value in regular T2 modules in a regular fully tanked industrial with good skills.

The problem with stacking penalizing cargo holds is two fold in my mind. First, it impacts things at every level of the game, not just T1 industrials. It also creates a situation where there's basically a max number of those that it's worthwhile to fit, as opposed to presently where you're making a trade off with every expander, instead of fitting between 2 and 4 and then fitting whatever else because more expanders is a bit pointless.

That sort of setup would also end up massively benefitting shield-bonused haulers in terms of general utility, since they wouldn't need to sacrifice nearly as much cargo space compared to one with more low slots that's intended to fit an armor tank but would still be able to fit more cargo and a shield tank in the current system. Also limiting expanders like that would let the armor ships fit basically everything in the form of shields, nanos, and expanders. Overall it just seems like this would limit fitting variety and choice rather than do anything actually interesting with it, not a fan personally.

The problem with this is that it would require new ship assets, or at least a retexture. It would also result in people being unable to fly ships they could fly previously, which is the bigger concern, since CCP has a general rule about not restricting people from flying things they could previously fly.

Also, realistically, it wouldn't even do much for the imbalance in specialized haulers between races, since ammo and PI hauling aren't nearly as valuable for an Alpha account as Ore or Mineral hauling.

All specialized haulers, except Miasmos, because it can haul ore. And everybody want to haul a good amount of ore.

Perhaps there is really a need for ORE ore hauler.

The normal haulers are perfectly good for hauling ore. It only doesn't seem so because the miasmos is so stupidly broken.

I literally go round in one with warp stabs stealing from anyone who can mines (hulks and skiffs). I have even intercepted cans that are being tractored to orcas. When they bring pvp fit cruisers can they point me? No. Can they dent my tank in the few seconds before i warp? No.

At least if i had to use a traditional hauler I'd have to make a choice between tank and speed or how much i can steal in one go.