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Easy to Detect Alphas?

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#41 - 2017-02-18 23:23:09 UTC
Man, who would've thought a fairly straightforward (?) question would generate so much debate... I was just looking for an easy way to help new Alphas out - and I appreciate all the responses (including pros and cons). Thanks all.
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ISDs, feel free to lock this so it doesn't clutter up the General Discussion (thanks).

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2017-02-18 23:29:29 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
ISDs, feel free to lock this so it doesn't clutter up the General Discussion (thanks).

If you want it locked, report it and let the ISDs know that you got out of it what you were looking for. Then it'll be locked.

No wonder people go to reddit. Apparently discussion here is clutter.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2017-02-19 00:49:54 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.

And 'definitely not alpha' is not what the question asked.

Basically it's the other side of the coin,

Man, give it a rest already.

If only it were a 2 sided coin, then I'd agree.

However, since you seem to think it is a good answer to the question, at a glance, which of these characters are alpha:

1. Gallente flying an Incursus
2. Gallente flying an Anshar
3. Minmatar flying a Rifter

These are all characters of mine in their current ships. If this answers the question just fine (your words), then which at a glance are alpha?

At a glance #2 is definitely not an Alpha. Don't know about the others, they could be Omega Clones as well.

Hell, I'm an Omega Clone and I still pilot a Rifter at various times.

Bottom line - there isn't any way to determine if a player is an Alpha or Omega Clone unless that player is flying an Omega ship which means that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#44 - 2017-02-19 05:13:46 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
At a glance #2 is definitely not an Alpha. Don't know about the others, they could be Omega Clones as well.

Hell, I'm an Omega Clone and I still pilot a Rifter at various times.

Bottom line - there isn't any way to determine if a player is an Alpha or Omega Clone unless that player is flying an Omega ship which means that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.


DMC

They are all Omega clones.

So how is Salvos's claim a just fine answer to the question of how to identify an alpha at a glance?

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2017-02-19 05:54:14 UTC
The OP basically asked if there was a way to determine Alpha Clones from Omega Clones. We can all agree that basically there isn't any way to determine the difference.

However if a player is flying an Omega ship, then that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.

I think that's what Salvos Rhoska was trying to point out.

Anyway, this thread has ran it's course and I'm done. The OP's question was answered and now the convo here is just going round in circles.



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Salvos Rhoska
#46 - 2017-02-19 08:49:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance?


Only if they are flying an Omega ship.

It's easy to determine that someone is an alpha if they are flying an omega ship?

That's idiotic.


Oh Shae, my nagging, bitter old ball-and-chain is at it again.

The above is the only way, at a quick glance, to determine whether its an Alpha or Omega state clone.

Race/racial ship, is not a way to determine it, as it could be an Omega clone in an Alpha class ship.
Character age is not a way to determine it, cos it could be an Omega clone new player.

If its in an Omega ship, it is not an Alpha clone.
That is the only means available at a casual glance to determine whether its an Alpha clone or an Omega clone.

Exempting perhaps if you are really good at identifying the weapons as T2 (which requires more than a casual glance). I dont know how many overlaps there are in the weapon models. Also if the ship deploys T2 reliant drones.

If you are really really good, I mean Rainman levels of idiot savantry, you can determine it from the amplitude of various effects, such as acceleration and maximum velocity, range of weapons, how hard they hit etc, but again, that's hardly "at a casual glance" and can be achieved with faction/deadspace modules.

As OP has stated, and DMC echoed, the matter is done.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2017-02-19 14:40:26 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
The OP basically asked if there was a way to determine Alpha Clones from Omega Clones. We can all agree that basically there isn't any way to determine the difference.

However if a player is flying an Omega ship, then that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.

I think that's what Salvos Rhoska was trying to point out.

Anyway, this thread has ran it's course and I'm done. The OP's question was answered and now the convo here is just going round in circles.



DMC


I've seen you show up in a lot of threads to say something dumb then belittle everybody else's intelligence, but geez dude this read was not your brightest moment.
Salvos Rhoska
#48 - 2017-02-19 14:43:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
The OP basically asked if there was a way to determine Alpha Clones from Omega Clones. We can all agree that basically there isn't any way to determine the difference.

However if a player is flying an Omega ship, then that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.

I think that's what Salvos Rhoska was trying to point out.

Anyway, this thread has ran it's course and I'm done. The OP's question was answered and now the convo here is just going round in circles.

DMC


I've seen you show up in a lot of threads to say something dumb then belittle everybody else's intelligence, but geez dude this read was not your brightest moment.


Wolfgang still doesnt get it.

PS: It was your wife, Shae, saying dumb things and insulting other people's intelligence.
Nothing DMC said in that quote insulted anyone.
Learning to read the thread might help.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2017-02-19 15:15:28 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
The OP basically asked if there was a way to determine Alpha Clones from Omega Clones. We can all agree that basically there isn't any way to determine the difference.

However if a player is flying an Omega ship, then that player is definitely not an Alpha Clone.

I think that's what Salvos Rhoska was trying to point out.

Anyway, this thread has ran it's course and I'm done. The OP's question was answered and now the convo here is just going round in circles.



DMC


I've seen you show up in a lot of threads to say something dumb then belittle everybody else's intelligence, but geez dude this read was not your brightest moment.

Well, haters gonna hate. Which is exactly what you're doing.

Quite honestly I don't recognize your name nor do I care if you like or dislike what I post. By the way, just exactly where did I belittle everybody's intelligence ? If you think I'm breaking the Forum Rules then please be my guest and report it.



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
strider darknight
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2017-02-23 15:32:45 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help.


It is good to know that someone is thinking about new player retention and helping Alphas.

My experience so far was the opposite.

"Sh***ing in your plate, just because I can" is the most frequent attitude that I have encountered so far. Guess I was among the "few" unlucky ones.

Recent example (I do not have much time to play for now, so my char is mostly skilling up. Barely managed to skill for an alpha fit Vexor to run the Gala sites).

Last Sunday logged in for 15 min in a remote system with 5 Gala sites. Chose one randomly, warped in, and started shooting the NPCs. When I was done with the frigates and was half way through the cruisers, a Loki uncloaked in the site and was waiting for me to finish the remaining ones so he can one-shot the battlecruiser.

It had happened before this is why I know how it usually goes. I re-called my drones leaving the remaining three cruisers, docked and logged off as I did not have time for a second site.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that a 3 months old Gallente char who is flying a Vexor, is using Valkiries I and taking forever to run a Gala site, is an Alpha.

The other sites in the system stayed untouched. I checked the overview while warping to the station.

I do not need your help, I do not need your isk. Just don't mess with my play if you have plenty of opportunities/reasons not too.

You do not have to tell me "Welcome to Eve", "This is Eve", "Suck it up", "HTFU", etc. I know all of it. Can't play much but have time to read a lot, so I know how it goes in here.

o/
Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#51 - 2017-02-23 15:44:35 UTC
If there was kind of an "new player" flag it had to be optional. Because while some players may help you others will just pad their killboard.
Amojin
Doomheim
#52 - 2017-02-23 19:04:53 UTC
Agreed. If the designation does show up at all, it should be in the killmails, so we can run stats and laugh at the chickenhawks.
aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#53 - 2017-02-23 21:44:11 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Hir Miriel wrote:
We are strikingly handsome.

That's almost helpful...

Lan Wang wrote:
pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate

Kind of suspected that might be the case. It's too bad, as it would make it a lot easier for some of us veterans to spot and help them out.


i am sometime dubious about helping out people with isk for this reason, they may not be alphas or new players, just the typical jita beggars


I have in my time helped lots of new players, and sadly you will get the odd beggar\leech. Best way is to chat to them and throw in some eve lingo, ie if a 2 day ols player knows what a bcs, dc, etc is, then imo they not that new. not the best way to do it and I probably just throw isk away.hahahah. But every now and agian you pick a winner and they move on to be long term players.. or then turn around and gank your ass.. sigh.. the sandbox
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#54 - 2017-02-24 02:31:48 UTC
99.99% of the time players asking for ISK are just scammers.
That's why I send them 0.01 ISK.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#55 - 2017-02-24 06:47:31 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
99.99% of the time players asking for ISK are just scammers.
That's why I send them 0.01 ISK.


I don't give those that ask ;)
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