Ships & Modules

i don't know missioning but... yea cruise missile are what people use more often for pvp etc, specially in large fleets.
that's why cruise are more available than torps imo

Well I'm sure Arthur Aihaken will be around soon to break it down for you. If I recall, he's got every bit of nuance in this category covered. So, whatever is better, and for whatever reason, I'm sure he'll lay it out for you.

If I were to venture an uneducated guess, however, my guess would be "application". If you're dedicating a lot of midslots to applying damage, you have less slots for mobility and defense. And defense is good for those, "oh crap I hit the wrong trigger" moments. Or, you could be applying even better if starting off with a missile with less application problems, i.e. cruises.

But preferences are preferences for a reason: it's a matter of taste. I used to Raven with cruises, but I found that I really dislike using missiles. Despite every person and their mother screaming from the rooftops that missiles (and especially the Golem) are the king of PvE, I just don't enjoy using missiles. I use turrets and I've always been happy with them. I can fly a Golem (pirate BS cross training), and I can use T2 torps (stealth bomber training), but I've never picked up the hull. It's just not my taste.

In the end, it's just a video game. An amazing video game, but a video game all the same. Do what brings you joy. If you enjoy torps, then torp the heck out of those NPC's and don't let the naysayers tell you otherwise.

I wasn't so much criticizing the approach as trying to keep an open mind, and attempting to learn something I'm probably not aware of. No arguments on my end about missiles vs. turrets. Just looking for an opportunity to learn an approach I'm not familiar with. (Like you, I was a Raven Cruise pilot for some time while skilling into marauders.)

aside from a xl booster and 2 invul fields on mine, I keep range with my MJD and stay out of their firing, also easly handles the epic arcs which I do because being in range of epic arcs ive had put tank ships drop fast. Now that im in Africa between net outages and power outage I cant even do anything for missions without a tank I know wont fail as I have goals to finish on that side.

I absolutely detest having to count missile volleys. I hate the initial launch delay with a passion. If you had the option to rapid fire all 27 missiles from a launcher in quick succession (with a 2-minute reload) that would certainly make things more interesting.

I don't think using Rage torpedoes is even practical. Without at least 2 target painters you won't even apply full damage to a battleship - let alone anything else. And the horrible range and reduced velocity mean Rage torps take even longer to reach their targets. It's pretty much Faction torpedoes or nothing (since Javelin torpedoes have roughly the same DPS as Fury cruise, but without the range benefits).

Torpedoes aren't in the same class as blasters, autocannons or pulse lasers. I get instant damage application with these - and it's effective out to well past 70km in most instances (yes, DPS drops - but you usually don't need as much to blap frigates, destroyers and cruisers). Turret-based weapon systems also allow you to quickly switch to short-range ammunition with no damage application penalty. Blasters get Void, autocannons get Hail and pulse lasers get Conflagulation. Rage torpedoes look great on paper - but that's about it.

Almost tempting - but guns still dominate. A pair of autocannons, blasters or pulse lasers is usually sufficient to blap most frigates. Unlike missiles, guns can shoot beyond their falloff and still get the odd hit. There's also the server-tick/missile range thing which means there's a chance of your torpedoes falling short. Damage application is still pretty horrible for torpedoes, so you need some combination of missile guidance computers and target painters - not too mention using your rigs to extend range, etc.

What I don't like about missiles is the time to target, which means that in addition to micromanaging target painters you're also counting volleys with the faster rate of fire (I absolutely abhor counting volleys). With a MJD you can probably mitigate a lot of this, and the vast majority of missions do feature NPCs within 60km.

Guns are definitely more effective against smaller ships like frogates and cruisers while cruise missiles and torpedoes work better against battleships. I think it probably averages out in the end, though.