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The Dislike of Eve Online
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2017-02-18 20:59:18 UTC
Mr Mieyli wrote:
I've always liked eve but having recently checked out star citizen I can't help but feel eve has stagnated since it was created. It could have been so much more through the last 14 years than it is. I mean many of the things in star citizen have been requested in eve for years, walking in stations, on planets, gunfighting, boarding, manual flight to name a few. Obviously SC isn't a finished game yet, and I have my doubts it ever will be.

Eve is a completely player driven universe, that is the central premise. Of course pvp comes naturally from a player driven universe, but pvp itself is not the core premise. I think there is plenty of scope to expand the game, including NPC interactions, while maintaining that central idea that players control the stars.

WTF does any of that have to do with this thread?

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Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#22 - 2017-02-18 21:25:34 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
WTF does any of that have to do with this thread?


The title is about dislike of eve, with a link to a bad review. I commented that the game hasnt changed much since 2003; that this might be why it struggles to appeal to a current audience. It isn't my fault you guys decided to talk about a console port of eve, where did that even come from?

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78 Aster
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2017-02-18 21:33:20 UTC
Expendable Unit wrote:
78 Aster wrote:
Seems to be spread on even Xbox. I laughed when I saw it; even console based things did it without it being available to them

http://imgur.com/a/aEdgL

I hope the link works or this will make no sense


Who the hell is anime babe? Some kid with a minority complex? You see guys, right there, that is the reason I don't touch consoles, unless Nintendo of course, Nintendo, dying since 1889 TM.


The anime babe, i have no idea, they are in my friend's list from way back when... I still don't know how they are there but they are there so why remove it

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78 Aster
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2017-02-18 21:37:52 UTC
Kenneth Endashi wrote:
I doubt Eve could easily be ported over to console, not because of the graphics, but because of the game itself. Keeping the code updated for every console iteration would be such a chore, when you don't need a powerful PC at all to play Eve Online if you want to.

There is every reason to own a PC in some form, and Eve will run at lowest settings on most machines out there, with the exception of netbooks.


I remember some inventive people talk about Linux on ps3 and running Eve, it was amazing... until they blocked Linux from running on ps3 XP and if they can get steam to run on ps4 then they can run eve, i doubt they have tried yet but it would be awesome :)

Born Caldari, Raised Minmatar
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#25 - 2017-02-18 23:07:01 UTC
Wii U and PS4 will be my last console purchases. Consoles are basically computers nowadays anyway.

Eve Online has earned an extremely terrible reputation. I took a break last summer from Eve and went back to a previous MMO. No one I played with was around anymore so I made some new friends and joined a guild, the second they found out I was an Eve player I was no longer trusted and treated like a black sheep ~

I've always kept Eve and RL seperate I guess I'll have to do that with other games as well. Smile

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Kenneth Endashi
Kor-Azor Slave Holdings
#26 - 2017-02-19 01:02:06 UTC
They probably don't trust you because of the way you said Eve, not because of Eve itself.
Wolfgang Jannesen
Scrapyard Artificer's
#27 - 2017-02-19 14:46:59 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Wii U and PS4 will be my last console purchases. Consoles are basically computers nowadays anyway.

Eve Online has earned an extremely terrible reputation. I took a break last summer from Eve and went back to a previous MMO. No one I played with was around anymore so I made some new friends and joined a guild, the second they found out I was an Eve player I was no longer trusted and treated like a black sheep ~

I've always kept Eve and RL seperate I guess I'll have to do that with other games as well. Smile


^ that sounds like something that never happened, People in other MMO's find out you play EVE it's no different than telling them I play Zork,
Keno Skir
#28 - 2017-02-19 14:59:25 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Wii U and PS4 will be my last console purchases. Consoles are basically computers nowadays anyway.

Eve Online has earned an extremely terrible reputation. I took a break last summer from Eve and went back to a previous MMO. No one I played with was around anymore so I made some new friends and joined a guild, the second they found out I was an Eve player I was no longer trusted and treated like a black sheep ~

I've always kept Eve and RL seperate I guess I'll have to do that with other games as well. Smile


They sound like p*ssies, i hope you AWOX'd the crap out of them and told them to git gud Pirate

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Salvos Rhoska
#29 - 2017-02-19 15:00:17 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Wii U and PS4 will be my last console purchases. Consoles are basically computers nowadays anyway.

Eve Online has earned an extremely terrible reputation. I took a break last summer from Eve and went back to a previous MMO. No one I played with was around anymore so I made some new friends and joined a guild, the second they found out I was an Eve player I was no longer trusted and treated like a black sheep ~

I've always kept Eve and RL seperate I guess I'll have to do that with other games as well. Smile


^ that sounds like something that never happened, People in other MMO's find out you play EVE it's no different than telling them I play Zork,


"It didnt happen to me, so it must not have happened to you, and you are lying."

Ok, bro.

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Austin Blythe
Doomheim
#30 - 2017-02-19 15:10:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Austin Blythe
My heart goes out to the PC peasants who can't afford a sexy little side console to fool around with.
Salvos Rhoska
#31 - 2017-02-19 15:19:03 UTC
Austin Blythe wrote:
My heart goes out to the PC peasants who can't afford a sexy little side console to fool around with.


PCs are 7-10/10 hotties.
Consoles cant compete.

Raise your standards.

Just cos you can slot your disk into it, doesnt mean you should.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#32 - 2017-02-19 15:48:23 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:

They sound like p*ssies, i hope you AWOX'd the crap out of them and told them to git gud Pirate


From the bits they said about Eve, it sounded ilke this is exactly what happened when they tried to run an Eve Online guild and they made it very clear it wasn't welcome in that game to me. Smile (I'm not even that kind of player in Eve...)

Just to elaborate, someone mentioned in the chat that they tried Eve and liked it, and most of the others, especially the leadership ones were like stay away from that game!! Ofc I couldn't resist and came out as an Eve player..

Pretty funny though. After that I was the awoxer figurehead. Felt like someone dragged RL politics in or something. I certainly wasn't going to be changing any minds, everyone that plays Eve is a sociopath prejudice was too strong a tank. It was special to be a part of that and see it lol

@lunettelulu7
Keno Skir
#33 - 2017-02-19 16:28:10 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Keno Skir wrote:

They sound like p*ssies, i hope you AWOX'd the crap out of them and told them to git gud Pirate


From the bits they said about Eve, it sounded ilke this is exactly what happened when they tried to run an Eve Online guild and they made it very clear it wasn't welcome in that game to me. Smile (I'm not even that kind of player in Eve...)

Just to elaborate, someone mentioned in the chat that they tried Eve and liked it, and most of the others, especially the leadership ones were like stay away from that game!! Ofc I couldn't resist and came out as an Eve player..

Pretty funny though. After that I was the awoxer figurehead. Felt like someone dragged RL politics in or something. I certainly wasn't going to be changing any minds, everyone that plays Eve is a sociopath prejudice was too strong a tank. It was special to be a part of that and see it lol



Please advertise that game / Guild here so we all might join Pirate

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#34 - 2017-02-19 16:43:46 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Please advertise that game / Guild here so we all might join Pirate


lol they were definitely smart enough to not say who they were in Eve Online but whatever one of you did was quite evil! PirateTwisted

The game I was playing was FFXI (Final Fantasy Eleven) and in that game you can switch guilds back and forth as easily as swapping modules on one of your utility highslots. Entrance to guilds was given by handing an in game item called a link pearl and you equip it to join basically. You can have a whole bunch of them in your inventory, I remember in the game's peak I had one for like each kind of activity you could do in the game. Actually the more I think about it, they were just glorified chat channels and nothing more really.

There's no PVP, no chance of anyone stealing your stuff. Just a PVE grind to the top. I like to go back to that one because it's my first MMO and I get nostalgic sometimes. I actualyl bought it when it released to Playstation 2 and spent all of my allowance on it Smile Now I've dated myself .. lol. I go back to it like every 2 years or so, usually on new characters. I've probably bought the game 3 different times now.

I don't recommend that game unless you played it back in the day or just have a thing, a love for old Japanese MMO's.

@lunettelulu7
Expendable Unit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#35 - 2017-02-20 18:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Expendable Unit
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Wii U and PS4 will be my last console purchases. Consoles are basically computers nowadays anyway.

Eve Online has earned an extremely terrible reputation. I took a break last summer from Eve and went back to a previous MMO. No one I played with was around anymore so I made some new friends and joined a guild, the second they found out I was an Eve player I was no longer trusted and treated like a black sheep ~

I've always kept Eve and RL seperate I guess I'll have to do that with other games as well. Smile


That is because those people were too dumb to play EVE and rather ride horse, slay dragon, loot chest, repeat x 10000000, so they're obviously not going to like people that came from here. Then again, how simple Eve became to play these days, sometimes I really think, who can blame them for wanting to play games are just a little easier than EVE?
Wolfgang Jannesen
Scrapyard Artificer's
#36 - 2017-02-21 13:26:05 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Wii U and PS4 will be my last console purchases. Consoles are basically computers nowadays anyway.

Eve Online has earned an extremely terrible reputation. I took a break last summer from Eve and went back to a previous MMO. No one I played with was around anymore so I made some new friends and joined a guild, the second they found out I was an Eve player I was no longer trusted and treated like a black sheep ~

I've always kept Eve and RL seperate I guess I'll have to do that with other games as well. Smile


^ that sounds like something that never happened, People in other MMO's find out you play EVE it's no different than telling them I play Zork,


"It didnt happen to me, so it must not have happened to you, and you are lying."

Ok, bro.


Sorry bud. I just don't think your online persona has some permanent malignant shadow cast over it because you played internet spaceships. This is the kind of thing people might exaggerate to glorify their choice in games but that seems just about as ridiculous as people putting on a tinfoil hat for the same reason.
Buster Wortmann2
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2017-02-21 19:09:42 UTC
I tried for years to get friends interested in eve. Held their hands, sent them plex, Offered to give them high SP toons if they stuck it out long enough to learn the basics well. Only luck I ever had was my brother in law who took a toon with all his learning SP unallocated I was waiting to sell, spent them miserably, bounced around high sec and fizzled out, after about a year. Just when he was getting to a point he was skilled up enough to really get out and see what the game is about.

Waste of $25 to transfer the toon and all the investment in time on the toon. Now he sits in a dead account, I cant get him back and my,,, now ex-bro in law keeps pestering me to join some crap he is playing now.

Eve takes a unique mindset to understand and enjoy, I dunno what it is that makes a person eve-succeptible. I have tried people who I thought were perfect and they lasted a month. I do know console gamers don't have a chance tho.



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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2017-02-21 19:59:43 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Wii U and PS4 will be my last console purchases. Consoles are basically computers nowadays anyway.

Eve Online has earned an extremely terrible reputation. I took a break last summer from Eve and went back to a previous MMO. No one I played with was around anymore so I made some new friends and joined a guild, the second they found out I was an Eve player I was no longer trusted and treated like a black sheep ~

I've always kept Eve and RL seperate I guess I'll have to do that with other games as well. Smile


^ that sounds like something that never happened, People in other MMO's find out you play EVE it's no different than telling them I play Zork,


"It didnt happen to me, so it must not have happened to you, and you are lying."

Ok, bro.


Sorry bud. I just don't think your online persona has some permanent malignant shadow cast over it because you played internet spaceships. This is the kind of thing people might exaggerate to glorify their choice in games but that seems just about as ridiculous as people putting on a tinfoil hat for the same reason.

It's not some 'shadow'. It is just simple logic.

What you play and what you don't.
How you play the games you play. What you do and what you don't in these games.

These things are function of your mind. Person with different mind does stuff differently. Even you in different mood will behave differently in RL and games.

People might not be psychologists but by nature they "connect points".

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#39 - 2017-02-21 20:02:10 UTC
Buster Wortmann2 wrote:
I tried for years to get friends interested in eve. Held their hands, sent them plex, Offered to give them high SP toons if they stuck it out long enough to learn the basics well. Only luck I ever had was my brother in law who took a toon with all his learning SP unallocated I was waiting to sell, spent them miserably, bounced around high sec and fizzled out, after about a year. Just when he was getting to a point he was skilled up enough to really get out and see what the game is about.

Waste of $25 to transfer the toon and all the investment in time on the toon. Now he sits in a dead account, I cant get him back and my,,, now ex-bro in law keeps pestering me to join some crap he is playing now.

Eve takes a unique mindset to understand and enjoy, I dunno what it is that makes a person eve-succeptible. I have tried people who I thought were perfect and they lasted a month. I do know console gamers don't have a chance tho.





This is a common story. People try to get people into EVE and fail. I did too, I have a co-worker (actually my boss) whoi loves sci-fi and is a big a nerd as I am (if you can beleive it lol). He played off and on for 3 months and quit. But he still asks me about EVE and "what war are you fighting in now".

The reasons are different for every person, but my favorite explanation is one I read on the Massivley OP website. The article was about a Themepark gamer who wrote a review of some sandbox game experiences he had (it was a fun read, it's funny watching someone who has structured themepark game preferences play a sandbox and totally not understand why others like that kind of unstructured thing).

On reply hit the nail on the head for sandbox games in general and I think EVE in particular. The person replying said (paraphrasing) that:
"Sandbox gaming is about making your own story rather than enjoying a story someone else wrote. It's like writting and Play, or a novel, or a screenplay, or a piece of music.

Most people enjoy watching a movie or a good play or reading a good book or listening to a nice piece of music, but most people will NEVER do those things or want to do those things themselves. Most people want to be entertainined, and gamers are no different, they just enjoy a slightly more interactive form of entertainment than most people. this is why themepark games will always be way more popular than sandboxes, a sandbox is about freedom, a themepark if about entertainment, and most people are looking to be entertained"

I read that and I couldn't help but think of EVE. Even in small ways, the people I play EVE with are making their own stories, or carving out their niche in a slgihtly bigger communal story.

I am too, and I enjoy my personal story even if most people would find that sotry boring (my story goes "day 6,823: Killed some rats made some isk, spent some isk on some BS... Day 6,824: yep, still killing rats, oh and killed a guy in Stain because I didn't like him killin mah rats") lol.
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