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Easy to Detect Alphas?

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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#21 - 2017-02-17 06:55:12 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Joey Bags wrote:
You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas
I don't think that's accurate.

Not that I regularly check but I don't remember any Dev Blog stating that a Killmail will not be generated for destroying Alpha Clones.

I think he meant killmarker on hull. Killmails are generated.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Alpha CEO
Doomheim
#22 - 2017-02-17 07:31:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Alpha CEO
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help.

I want to learn to pvp and get into big fleet fights in nullsec. Can you help me?
Wolfgang Jannesen
Czerka.
What Could Possibly Go Wr0ng
#23 - 2017-02-17 07:34:00 UTC
Quickest way to identify an alpha?

The Gnosis.
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2017-02-17 14:34:09 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Quickest way to identify an alpha?

The Gnosis.


Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis?
Wolfgang Jannesen
Czerka.
What Could Possibly Go Wr0ng
#25 - 2017-02-17 14:48:08 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Quickest way to identify an alpha?

The Gnosis.


Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis?


I guess so, I certainly haven't touched the thing since they were given out.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2017-02-17 14:48:13 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Quickest way to identify an alpha?

The Gnosis.


Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis?

Omegas have better ships to fly Lol

Actually when i'm thinking about it.... I'm not sure if i ever seen Gnosis at all.... Maybe once in Dodixie used as bait for noobs.... But not as real PvP or PVE machine in our 0.0 area..... What?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2017-02-17 15:02:24 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
The Gnosis.

Hahaha. That's spot on.

Alphas in Gnosises remind me of the fellows who fly battleships sooner than opening their dscan window the first time. Do my brothers a favor and shoot 'em. P

Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.

CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#28 - 2017-02-17 16:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Darwin
Joey Bags wrote:
You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas

This is not accurate. You get a kill mark for any kill for which

1) You get a final blow (typically you should also receive a kill mail.)
2) The target is a ship that is not a capsule, shuttle, or rookie ship.
3) You and the target pilot are not in the same corp.

Kill marks on ships should usually update immediately, however it's possible for them not to update immediately, in which case they should update on a session change (docking/jumping) or receiving another kill mark.

If you kill a player who is playing as an Alpha clone and meets the requirements listed above, you should receive a kill mark for it.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2017-02-17 18:56:00 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Quickest way to identify an alpha?

The Gnosis.


Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis?

Omegas have better ships to fly Lol

Actually when i'm thinking about it.... I'm not sure if i ever seen Gnosis at all.... Maybe once in Dodixie used as bait for noobs.... But not as real PvP or PVE machine in our 0.0 area..... What?


Check Z-kill and you will see a lot of Gnosis losses which could not be piloted by alpha clones.
Takh Meir'noen
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#30 - 2017-02-17 21:01:30 UTC
Hang out in Rookie Help--three people there:

1. New players less than 1 month old.
2. Vets hanging out to help the new players.
3. Character transfers that forget to close the channel.

So how do you determine the difference between 1 and 2-3?

Just say something incorrect in the channel, and all the 2s and 3s will bite your ******* head off.
Salvos Rhoska
#31 - 2017-02-17 21:08:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance?


Only if they are flying an Omega ship.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#32 - 2017-02-17 21:41:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Frostys Virpio wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Quickest way to identify an alpha?

The Gnosis.


Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis?

Omegas have better ships to fly Lol

Actually when i'm thinking about it.... I'm not sure if i ever seen Gnosis at all.... Maybe once in Dodixie used as bait for noobs.... But not as real PvP or PVE machine in our 0.0 area..... What?


Check Z-kill and you will see a lot of Gnosis losses which could not be piloted by alpha clones.

As for Alpha, Pancakes (EvE Gate Link) have "Griddlecat" fleet doctrine.

Click on the thread subject to see linked pics:

Screenshots from Pancakes newest fleet doctrine.


Pancakes Griddlecats claim their first cap kill!
Kishijoten Lansing
Psyclon Nine Services Inc
#33 - 2017-02-18 20:07:19 UTC
I have not seen any way to spot an alpha at a glance... I have 3 accounts that I pay for (Omega) and one alpha account...

My alpha looks like any other T-1 Meta 4 ship out there.

I use my alpha for a few reason... An out of alliance low volume hauling pilot. IE compressed mercoxit that I have Black frogged down. Moving BPC kits to a close high sec (in order to avoid war deckers) A quick look at the market so I don't need to fly out to high sec or some place and have to deal with war deckers. I sometimes use it for bordum solo pvp... T-1 meta 4 does not exactly cost a lot ... And the occasional trade hub trolling :P
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#34 - 2017-02-18 20:53:36 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance?


Only if they are flying an Omega ship.

It's easy to determine that someone is an alpha if they are flying an omega ship?

That's idiotic.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2017-02-18 22:29:21 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance?


Only if they are flying an Omega ship.

It's easy to determine that someone is an alpha if they are flying an omega ship?

That's idiotic.

It's OK if you don't understand, not everybody is intelligent enough to know his answer meant that if a player is flying an Omega ship then they're not an Alpha.


DMC

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2017-02-18 22:47:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance?


Only if they are flying an Omega ship.

It's easy to determine that someone is an alpha if they are flying an omega ship?

That's idiotic.

It's OK if you don't understand, not everybody is intelligent enough to know his answer meant that if a player is flying an Omega ship then they're not an Alpha.


DMC


Actually, you seem to not understand. How does that answer the actual question asked?

The actual question was "is there an easy way to determine which players are Alpha at a casual glance"

Knowing someone is Omega does not help easily determine an Alpha.

If the question had been "is there an easy way to determine which players are Omega at a casual glance"?, then Salvos's answer would have been one way to 100% know. There are 3 at least easy ways at a glance to know if someone is Omega:

1. Flying an Omega ship
2. Flying an alpha ship, but of a different race to the character
3. Checking the turrets/launchers and seeing T2 fitted

But none of these are an answer to the question asked.

There is certainly low intelligence at work here DMC. It's yours in this case for defending an idiotic response that answers a different question.

But it's ok. Not everyone can be intelligent enough to understand what an answer to the actual question would look like.

Hint: there isn't a way to easily determine at a glance, the alpha state of any character. CCP are adding an API end point to assist Corps/Alliances assess the ability of members to fly doctrine ships, but they haven't done so yet. Even when that is done, the information will be accessible with API access, not public.

It is unusual, if you have access to T2 weapons, to fit T1 instead. It is done, but usually not. So the best guess you could make would be if they are flying an alpha ship, of the same race as the character (or Sunesis/Gnosis) and they have T1 weapons fit. It's likely (but not 100% certain) that they are an alpha.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2017-02-18 23:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:

Actually, you seem to not understand. How does that answer the actual question asked?

The actual question was "is there an easy way to determine which players are Alpha at a casual glance"

Knowing someone is Omega does not help easily determine an Alpha.

It's not an answer to the question.

There is certainly low intelligence at work here DMC. It's yours in this case for defending an idiotic response that answers a different question.

But it's ok. Not everyone can be intelligent enough to understand what an answer to the actual question would look like.

Hint: there isn't a way to easily determine at a glance, the alpha state of any character. CCP are adding an API end point to assist Corps/Alliances assess the ability of members to fly doctrine ships, but they haven't done so yet. Even when that is done, the information will be accessible with API access, not public.

It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.

That's it, nothing more need be said.



DMC
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#38 - 2017-02-18 23:11:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.

And 'definitely not alpha' is not what the question asked (see the edit above).

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2017-02-18 23:13:16 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.

And 'definitely not alpha' is not what the question asked.

Basically it's the other side of the coin,

Man, give it a rest already.



DMC
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2017-02-18 23:20:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
It answer's the question just fine. At a glance if a player is in an Omega ship then that player is definitely not an Alpha.

And 'definitely not alpha' is not what the question asked.

Basically it's the other side of the coin,

Man, give it a rest already.

If only it were a 2 sided coin, then I'd agree.

However, since you seem to think it is a good answer to the question, at a glance, which of these characters are alpha:

1. Gallente flying an Incursus
2. Gallente flying an Anshar
3. Minmatar flying a Rifter

These are all characters of mine in their current ships. If this answers the question just fine (your words), then which at a glance are alpha?

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

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