EVE General Discussion

Eve is a player driven market, the reason data sites are not profitable is because of the low demand for there resources.

Relic sites drop salvage used to make rigs, which are generally put on every ship that has a rig point, many of which die and some of which are destroyed for other rigs. This keeps the demand for salvage up so relic sites are generally profitable as a result.

Data sites on the other hand drop materials used for invention for the production of T2 ships and items. When a ship is destroyed there is a 50/50 chance that an individual item will drop also each successful invention job will yield a BPC that usually has multiple runs. These two thing are what causes data sites to be less profitable than relic sites.

Rigs have a 100% chance to be destroyed.

what would YOU suggest as a way to fix it?

simply increasing the amount of loot dropped in data sites would only serve to drive the prices down even further by flooding the market even more. adding salvage to data sites, beyond not making much sense lore wise (yes lore is a thing) would take away from the uniqueness of both types of sites, and through putting more materials into the market, drive the value of both types of sites down.

Currently Data sites do have a small chance of dropping rare BPC's which if you get lucky and snag one, makes that particular data site MUCH more valuable than any relic site. if you increased the drop rate of those BPC's though, again, would push the market price down.

The way I look at it, Relic sites are reliable steady money, your pretty much guaranteed a certain amount of isk for running them.
Data sites are more of a gamble, your probably gonna come out with less isk per site, but if you get lucky and snag a blueprint that could be worth more than your entire nights haul.

I seem to remember that Data sites used to be as good as Relic sites (so to speak). That was when you could only get Datacores through exploration and Research Agents.

Now Datacores are mostly brought to market by overfarmed FW LP and results that said market is completely saturated and Datacores worth peanuts.

This is the main reason why Data Sites are no longer profitable.

Also most of the items gained from Data Sites take up a lot more cargospace compared to Relic Sites and as such explorers have to dock up and unload more often resulting in missed opportunities to run other sites due to massive competition.


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DMC

ok first off this is a sandbox game. ccp builds and maintains the world and the mechanics of the game the worth of ingame items they shoose to put in the world is up to us to deside. so what can you do to make these things more profitable ?

shure the devs could make it so that data site materials is needed in just about everything and hey presto data site loot would be very expensive. is this what youwant?

They did? Even with introducing new hacking modules those sites are worthless, and yes it is an issue when you have a game content not worth doing.

Which would, pretty much by definition, increase the price of T2 goods, which would be a generally unpopular move. A better solution would be to add some new kind of loot to Data Sites, but that would be a less than simple change since you would need to either create a new thing for that loot to go into, or find something existing items whose existing source wouldn't be too adversely affected by having another source added.

Just because two things that are part of the same activity have different values per time spent does not mean that a problem exists.

Combat sites have an even wider value swing because lots of sites are lower value, and on top of that many sites rely on random escalation chance for their value which means even the same site can be worth tens or hundreds of millions or a few million.

The same applies to missions. Some missions are worth a ton and quick to do, others are slower and worth less in total.

Data sites do not need to be worth the same as Relic Sites. If you don't find them worthwhile then don't do them.

They are not part of the same activity.

People doing only Relic sites skip ALL of the Data sites in a region. The next player to come along will ONLY find Data sites (until the sites respawn, when the entire scenario restarts).

When you go into a system, you do not know if you have Data or Relic, so you have to scan them down.... and when you do, you've wasted your time if there are only Data sites, because you are only interested in Relic sites, due to the absolutely overbalanced worth for Relic sites.

The same does NOT apply to Missions or Combat sites, because the difficulty of those sites is what gives more or less worth to the site.

Well, let's also consider what we as pro-explorers can do to help the situation. Typically there are six types of loot that we get from faction (non-drone) datasites:

• Datacores
• Decryptors
• High-Grade Materials (Used for specialized items like the storyline analyzers)
• Low-Grade Materials (Used for "stuff that we never see")
• Precoursor Items (Used for Storyline items)
• BPCs, usually of either Ancillary items, or POS structures

What I've done to typically make datasites profitable is to do the invention myself for the invention materials, and do the builds myself for the BPCs and Precoursor materials. That being said, I think we need to think beyond the two typical ideas of either a.) make the resource less available or b.) add other valuable materials to the loot. There has got to be some ways to make a profit out of these things without having to rely on CCP or the CSM. At least we should make a concerted effort first to find out what options we might have.



Amen.