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Feedback Request - Building a PC

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Velen Darkstar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-02-13 23:49:22 UTC
Hello. First of all, sorry if this is the wrong forum for this kind of thing, but I didn't see anything more suited to it.

I'm building a PC for the first time and was hoping there might be a few helpful tech-savvy people out there who could look at this and offer any feedback. Not sure if I need to get the liquid cooler, so especially on that, but everything else is welcome too. Thanks.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU:Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler:Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler:Corsair H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard:MSI Z170A KRAIT GAMING 3X ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($148.98 @ Newegg)
Memory:G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Storage:Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Storage:Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: *Zotac GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Mini Video Card ($384.98 @ Newegg)
Case:Thermaltake Chaser A71 ATX Full Tower Case
Power Supply:EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($121.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive:LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System:Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($102.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor:BenQ GW2765HT 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1895.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-13 18:33 EST-0500
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
#2 - 2017-02-14 00:34:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
It will most likely work. And it will run Eve.

On the topic of watercooling: You never *need* a watercooler. The question is, whether you *want* one. One thing is sure, though: You certainly won't need the air cooler *and* the water cooler. Either one will suffice.

A thing worth mentioning: Do you intend to overclock that CPU, and what do you need that processing power for? K skew CPUs and Z-series chipsets are meant for overclocking, and intel lets you pay for that unlocked multiplier. All the while, an i5 7500 on a B series board will drive that 1070 just fine for less. If you don't want to overclock, but you need that processing power for streaming or rendering perhaps, you could probably get a B series board and an i7 7700 for maybe 40 bucks more, and get those extra threads.

Only if you overclock it does that Z/K combo really make sense. And if you do overclock, raised voltage and all, then the 240 water cooler - although still not necessary - might at least come in handy to get that heat out of your case.

Beyond that, I can't see anything wrong with it. Overall it's maybe a little pricey for what it does, but it's not too bad. Oh, maybe one more thing: I don't like that case. Personally I'd go for an Antec P280 or a Fractal Define R5 for a full size ATX build, but that's of course a question of personal preference.
Velen Darkstar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2017-02-14 09:50:32 UTC
Yes I am going to overclock. Not immediately but later on after I've done more research on it. The extra processing power is certainly not need to play Eve but I play other MMOs too and some single player games. Thanks for the feedback. I'll check out the cases you mentioned
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
#4 - 2017-02-14 10:14:40 UTC
You forgot the obligatory "Will it run EVE?" question.

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Demolishar
United Aggression
#5 - 2017-02-14 11:12:49 UTC
Oh look, another hardware brag thread.

You're so rich, everyone is so jealous.

Now **** off.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#6 - 2017-02-14 11:33:59 UTC
If you are a hardware enthusiast and overclocking is part of the fun for you, I won't stand in the way but if best overall performance at a reasonable cost is your objective there may be better choices. You want to be at the peak of the value curve, not necessarily the peak of the performance curve.

Things I noticed:
- for the cost of the I5 chip and liquid cooler you can get an I7 chip with air cooler that will probably offer superior performance.
- the hard drive has no place in a performance PC. Even the conventional SATA SSD is slow by todays standard. You want an M.2 SSD. The motherboard you've chosen has a single M.2 interface, I recommend looking at the Z270 which has 2 M.2 interfaces. There is no sense investing in a super fast CPU if your storage subsystem can't keep up. The Crucial MX300 1TB M.2 is currently 279.00 at Newegg and is all the storage you'll need to start. Let the prices come down a bit more before filling the second M.2 slot.
- Not sure why you chose the mini graphics card for a full size chassis. Mini makes sense if you're building an ITX system but there is a much better selection of full length cards.
- Newegg has a selection of 27" & 28" 4K monitors for less than $400.00. If you're going to buy a 2K monitor these days, you shouldn't pay more than $200.

Good luck.
Ryu Kr'll
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2017-02-14 11:45:43 UTC
Do Little wrote:
If you are a hardware enthusiast and overclocking is part of the fun for you, I won't stand in the way but if best overall performance at a reasonable cost is your objective there may be better choices. You want to be at the peak of the value curve, not necessarily the peak of the performance curve.

Things I noticed:
- for the cost of the I5 chip and liquid cooler you can get an I7 chip with air cooler that will probably offer superior performance.
- the hard drive has no place in a performance PC. Even the conventional SATA SSD is slow by todays standard. You want an M.2 SSD. The motherboard you've chosen has a single M.2 interface, I recommend looking at the Z270 which has 2 M.2 interfaces. There is no sense investing in a super fast CPU if your storage subsystem can't keep up. The Crucial MX300 1TB M.2 is currently 279.00 at Newegg and is all the storage you'll need to start. Let the prices come down a bit more before filling the second M.2 slot.
- Not sure why you chose the mini graphics card for a full size chassis. Mini makes sense if you're building an ITX system but there is a much better selection of full length cards.
- Newegg has a selection of 27" & 28" 4K monitors for less than $400.00. If you're going to buy a 2K monitor these days, you shouldn't pay more than $200.

Good luck.


i somewhat agree with this. unless you know you're not going to be playing CPU intensive games then the i5 is fine but with majority of MMO's now-a-days and hell even simulation games. CPU intensity is the real deal.

arma 3 is a perfect example of that. granted engine optimization could be better but they've made strides to make it better. but its personal choice really.

the only thing id say that you need to change is wait out and hold that money from the HDD to get an SSD. a 1TB SSD will do you charms.

id also recommend instead of getting 2x8GB sticks get 4x4GB sticks if possible. to allow better response and efficiency due to splitting the work between 4 sticks instead of 2
Conure Blills
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2017-02-14 12:10:06 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Oh look, another hardware brag thread.

You're so rich, everyone is so jealous.

Now **** off.


Since when was a mid range modern GPU (1070) and a mid range modern CPU (7600) a brag post? If it was a Titan or even a 1080 with a 7700 I could understand...

You don't need to be rich to afford this hardware, you just can't be poor - perhaps you should try to get a better job?
Velen Darkstar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-02-15 00:35:40 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Oh look, another hardware brag thread.

You're so rich, everyone is so jealous.

Now **** off.


On average, I bust my ass 56 hours a week at an auto part stamping plant and everything I have has been earned with blood, sweat, and tears.

Now that that's out of the way...


Do Little wrote:
If you are a hardware enthusiast and overclocking is part of the fun for you, I won't stand in the way but if best overall performance at a reasonable cost is your objective there may be better choices. You want to be at the peak of the value curve, not necessarily the peak of the performance curve.

Things I noticed:
- for the cost of the I5 chip and liquid cooler you can get an I7 chip with air cooler that will probably offer superior performance.
- the hard drive has no place in a performance PC. Even the conventional SATA SSD is slow by todays standard. You want an M.2 SSD. The motherboard you've chosen has a single M.2 interface, I recommend looking at the Z270 which has 2 M.2 interfaces. There is no sense investing in a super fast CPU if your storage subsystem can't keep up. The Crucial MX300 1TB M.2 is currently 279.00 at Newegg and is all the storage you'll need to start. Let the prices come down a bit more before filling the second M.2 slot.
- Not sure why you chose the mini graphics card for a full size chassis. Mini makes sense if you're building an ITX system but there is a much better selection of full length cards.
- Newegg has a selection of 27" & 28" 4K monitors for less than $400.00. If you're going to buy a 2K monitor these days, you shouldn't pay more than $200.

Good luck.


Thank you for the well-thought out post. You bring up some good points. This is the first time I have built a PC from scratch and I am learning as I go. I will take all you said into consideration.

I'd given the M.2 a little bit of thought but the first time I had ever heard of one was only a few days ago when I started to build this system virtually on pcpartpicker.com. You're right, I don't need either of those hard drives.

The mini card was basically just a placeholder. Another forum poster made some suggestions a couple days ago and I was working with a mid size case at the time so the card made sense then. But now it mainly serves as a place holder for the power and price point I'm going for.

As far as a 4k monitor goes, from what I've read and been told it seems like anything less than a Titan or some kind of SLI configuration wouldn't be able to push 4k graphics. Is this wrong? I've actually been told that I'm pushing my luck with a 1070 gpu trying to get 1440p.
Velen Darkstar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2017-02-15 01:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Velen Darkstar
Alright, so I made some modifications to the list. How's this look now?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU:Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($343.33 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler:Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard:MSI Z270 KRAIT GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($159.99 @ B&H)
Memory:G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Storage:Samsung 850 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($167.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card:EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card ($379.99 @ Jet)
Case:Thermaltake Chaser A71 ATX Full Tower Case ($117.59 @ Jet)
Power Supply:EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive:LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($46.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System:Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Monitor:LG 32MA68HY-P 32.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor ($221.11 @ Amazon)
Total: $1763.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-14 21:00 EST-0500
Velen Darkstar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2017-02-15 01:21:31 UTC
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
You forgot the obligatory "Will it run EVE?" question.


Hahaha... my laptop can run Eve on low settings and it doesn't even have a video card.
Commissar Kate
NulzSec
#12 - 2017-02-15 04:16:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Commissar Kate
I can run Eve with a GTX 980 pretty well on 4k, I can get 60 fps in most situations but forget it for anything that's more graphically intense than Eve.

I'll tell you this though, one large 4k screen is nice if you want to have 4 ~1920x1080 Eve windows on at the same time for multiboxing without additional monitors
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#13 - 2017-02-15 17:46:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
AMD new CPUs and GPUs are just around the corner if you don't have preference(green/red) or urgency you might want to hold of dropping 1.8$ on a rig.

I my self run 5y old i7 3770k and AMD r9 fury(non X fan cooled that run on a new HBM1 memory new AMD GPU's will use HBM2)
non OC DDR3 ram sticks and average 256GB SSD Crucial

R9 fury run behind 1070 in average of 0% to 10% in 1080p more you up the resolution less the gap with vulkan optimized games such as DOOM it will run better even.i purchased my for 220$ and in that time you could buy two of these for the price of single 1070 hype was real.

My second 220$(yes i did)GPU came around this new year holidays mere two months ago as you can see in this picture not too shabby for a 700-800$ rig tops not to mention it will delete yours 1.8$ in ANY game that is not straight disaster in cross fire.

Why all this text?

I think you chosen wrong time to drop that cash on a rig wait for AMD reveal if its all it claims to be great!

buy AMD be happy

or don't buy it but benefit from nvidia drop in prices that's gonna be inevitable and still be happy

As long as you have a usable rig atm.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
#14 - 2017-02-15 20:16:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Velen Darkstar wrote:
Alright, so I made some modifications to the list. How's this look now?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU:Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($343.33 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler:Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard:MSI Z270 KRAIT GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($159.99 @ B&H)
Memory:G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Storage:Samsung 850 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($167.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card:EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card ($379.99 @ Jet)
Case:Thermaltake Chaser A71 ATX Full Tower Case ($117.59 @ Jet)
Power Supply:EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive:LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($46.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System:Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Monitor:LG 32MA68HY-P 32.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor ($221.11 @ Amazon)
Total: $1763.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-14 21:00 EST-0500


That looks like a solid build. Like I said before, the CPU may be overkill. Most games by far do not need 8 threads and 4.2/4.5GHz. Arma 3 has already been mentioned as an exception, and I'd add Dwarf Fortress too, as funny as that may seem. At this point, though, you probably know that you need those gigahertz, and the 7700K is still fairly reasonable in terms of price/performance.

I can see you switched out the monitor - well, that's entirely up to personal preference. Do you want those sweet 1440p? The 1070 is certainly capable of driving them. However, having a 1080p may allow you to add another one later down the line, which is really nice for getting work done and for playing Eve.

What Mina Sebiestar says is also good advice. AMD are about to release their Ryzen processors soon. Those look like they are the first competetive processors from AMD in about 10 years or so. And if there's any truth to the rumors and supposed leaks, AMD may be planning to undercut intels prices by about 50%. So, best case, you will be able to buy a stronger processor for the same money, or an equally strong one for less in a couple of weeks, worst case AMD are full of s\\t and nothing will change.

Usually, I'd say go for it, don't wait. New releases happen all the time, and if you always wait for the next one, you will never get a new rig. But this one may be quite a biggie. If there ever was a time to wait and see when it comes to buying hardware, it is now.

That is for processors, at least. AMD will also release their Vega graphics cards later this year, but I highly doubt it will stir up the market in any meaningful way.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#15 - 2017-02-15 21:52:53 UTC
I don't like sleeve bearings - bad experiences from long ago and will recommend going with ball bearings. I'd be willing to take a chance on one of the new fluid dynamic bearing fans (basically an upgraded sleeve bearing) if super quiet is important. Otherwise it looks good.

I recommend that you buy what you need, when you need it. Don't spend a lot trying to "future proof" your system and don't wait for the next big thing. There will always be something new and improved coming "soon"
Velen Darkstar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2017-02-16 00:10:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Velen Darkstar
Neuntausend wrote:
That looks like a solid build. Like I said before, the CPU may be overkill. Most games by far do not need 8 threads and 4.2/4.5GHz



Yeah, but I also play Star Wars: The Old Republic, The Elder Scrolls Online, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, Xcom 2, Cities: Skylines, lots of other things. TOR and ESO are very CPU-intensive MMOs. It's worth the extra hundred bucks, I think.

Also, I think I am probably going to go ahead and go with a 1440p 60hz monitor now. Someone on another website pointed out that the difference most people are probably talking about with a GTX 1070 not being able to push a 1440p is when they'r etalking the 144hz ones. I don't need one of those; 60hz will be fine.

I probably should wait a few weeks but I'm not going to. If that means I end up paying 50 or 100 more than I should for the same card, oh well. I'll eat that bullet.

Thanks for all the feedback everyone.

Edit:

Oh yeah and for anyone who is curious, this is the final draft and what I will be purchasing on friday. Hopefully the next weekend I am off work (three weeks later) I will be playing on the new system (hunting you all down and stuff). Yay.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($343.33 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 79.0 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI Z270 KRAIT GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($159.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($167.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card ($379.99 @ Jet)
Case: Thermaltake Chaser A71 ATX Full Tower Case ($117.59 @ Jet)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($46.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: BenQ GW2765HT 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor ($318.90 @ B&H)
Total: $1843.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-15 19:32 EST-0500
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
#17 - 2017-02-16 10:43:38 UTC
my i5 2500k and gtx 560Ti laughs at this pathetic build...

OP, burn this abomination, ok?

anyway, o7.

Just Add Water

Ryu Kr'll
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2017-02-24 00:31:53 UTC
Velen Darkstar wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
That looks like a solid build. Like I said before, the CPU may be overkill. Most games by far do not need 8 threads and 4.2/4.5GHz



Yeah, but I also play Star Wars: The Old Republic, The Elder Scrolls Online, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, Xcom 2, Cities: Skylines, lots of other things. TOR and ESO are very CPU-intensive MMOs. It's worth the extra hundred bucks, I think.

Also, I think I am probably going to go ahead and go with a 1440p 60hz monitor now. Someone on another website pointed out that the difference most people are probably talking about with a GTX 1070 not being able to push a 1440p is when they'r etalking the 144hz ones. I don't need one of those; 60hz will be fine.

I probably should wait a few weeks but I'm not going to. If that means I end up paying 50 or 100 more than I should for the same card, oh well. I'll eat that bullet.

Thanks for all the feedback everyone.

Edit:

Oh yeah and for anyone who is curious, this is the final draft and what I will be purchasing on friday. Hopefully the next weekend I am off work (three weeks later) I will be playing on the new system (hunting you all down and stuff). Yay.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($343.33 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 79.0 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI Z270 KRAIT GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($159.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($167.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card ($379.99 @ Jet)
Case: Thermaltake Chaser A71 ATX Full Tower Case ($117.59 @ Jet)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($46.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: BenQ GW2765HT 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor ($318.90 @ B&H)
Total: $1843.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-15 19:32 EST-0500


as an intel fanboy so to speak and have been for litte over a decade. AMD ryzen will probably be your best bet as of right now. its far cheaper. and is quite a bit better than the 6th generation i7 processors etc

7th gen is not all really that worth it tbh. they slacked and barely made any improvements besides efficiency in TPD as well as single core performance and optimization. multi-core performance is still pretty much the same or at best not even close to spending that sort of money for an upgrade since the 6th gen.

ryzen will be a fantastic entry into the market for those wanting great power for lower costs than current 6th / 7th gen processors.

this is just advice but personally i think intel need to be starved a little bit of income in order to see how stupid they have become changing their focus from being at the fore front of processing advancements and manufacturing to casual all in one every day casual use processors.

their shift into a market that wont do them any good. will make them end up in the same exact situation as AMD did.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2017-02-26 17:22:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Caleidascope
Velen Darkstar wrote:

As far as a 4k monitor goes, from what I've read and been told it seems like anything less than a Titan or some kind of SLI configuration wouldn't be able to push 4k graphics. Is this wrong? I've actually been told that I'm pushing my luck with a 1070 gpu trying to get 1440p.

I have GTX 750Ti driving 40" 4k monitor (AMH A409U) using Display Port. I have had this setup for more than a year now.

Also. If you want to save some money, check out EVGA B stock, it is listed in their shop section of the website.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2017-03-01 23:10:49 UTC
Hi

Just a few comments.

As said, dont shy away from AMD CPUs.
Also recheck that last SSD, seems you picked wrong one.
Also do keep the 3 Tera storage solution.
Games like Eve really shines on a 21:9 monitor.
That Blu-Ray player is kinda obsolete.

If you always stay ready you don't have to get ready.

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