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Windows 10 Blocked eve from using graphics and lost me an event skin

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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-02-15 08:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuttomenui II
Crazy, Windows 10 blocked Eve from using my graphics card after trying to view the Imicus gala skin. My screen went black and back tot he game about 4 times then i was at my desktop game running in the background.

Had to end the process and relaunch. While this was happening some one showed up and finished the site while i was blind. Funny thing is my drones decided to come in for the emergency warp. So there is that.

Interesting experience at least.

I'm wondering though, Was Win10 just trolling me? Or did it just save my graphics card from getting ganked by Eve? It has happened you know.

Edit:

I just got it to do it again. I've looked at a few of the other skins in the viewer but Imicus just makes my computer go berserk. Guess it isn't a fluke so i'll be bug reporting it. I'll have to look up how to run eve in that one logging state I guess so I can be thorough.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-02-15 08:59:36 UTC
think that might be an nvidia issue or ccp issue, not windows, ive had it before on my laptop but luckily it was using the integrated gfx card

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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2017-02-15 09:26:49 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
think that might be an nvidia issue or ccp issue, not windows, ive had it before on my laptop but luckily it was using the integrated gfx card


It only happens with the imicus skin so far, I have view several other skins with out the problem. Wont be an nvidia issue for me =), My graphics is an AMD R9 280.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2017-02-15 11:50:59 UTC
Windows 10

Not even once
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#5 - 2017-02-15 12:33:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
https://mopam-eve.org/screenshots/2017-02-15_13-32-38.png

No problem here.. Must be all that NSA spyware that came with your Windows.
Although that dotted square up there in the front is clearly a texture bug..

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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2017-02-15 13:31:00 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
https://mopam-eve.org/screenshots/2017-02-15_13-32-38.png

No problem here.. Must be all that NSA spyware that came with your Windows.
Although that dotted square up there in the front is clearly a texture bug..


I verified my shared cash and it removed 13 duplicate items nothing corrupted, just tested it again and that imicus just makes it crap its pants. Its funny.


In Loglite I get a bunch of these:
Tr2ImageHandler failed to create texture 'res:/dx9/model/hangar/gallente/gh1/gh1_wall_pmdg.dds'

and then a:
DX11 device removed, reason: 887a0006

http://eve-files.com/dl/280864 just scroll up from the bottom you'll find it, it is kind of funny reading the log entries.

I added a previous .lsw log to my bug report I submitted. That one there is the most recent one exported as text.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#7 - 2017-02-15 13:41:15 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen
Scrapyard Artificer's
#8 - 2017-02-15 14:37:28 UTC
You were inspecting the design before you looted the wreck? Why?
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#9 - 2017-02-15 15:00:34 UTC
I see what happened there.

And before we jump to "conclusions", I do run EVE on my old HD Radeon 6850.


Since 2015 AMD had some issues with the dot.NET API from windoze, causing the driver to "reset" when EVE was running, preferably at those times, you want it the least.

You will find an entry in the windoze logs when you open them by pressing WIN+r and type "eventmgr.msc" and go to "administrative something"

The red entries show the errors, ordered my date, descending from latest to earliest.

Might be NVIDIA's "charming way" of making you buy their products instead.


But fear not, there is a simple solution. It says "requires windoze or better", so I installed Linux and am better now than ever.

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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2017-02-15 17:11:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuttomenui II
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
You were inspecting the design before you looted the wreck? Why?


I was inspecting the skin after i had looted it and got to a different site. I lost the kills to the next site to someone else while i was blinded by being forced desktop but still in game. I could hear the game but couldn't get it to maximize because it lost the graphics support.

elitatwo wrote:
I see what happened there.

And before we jump to "conclusions", I do run EVE on my old HD Radeon 6850.


Since 2015 AMD had some issues with the dot.NET API from windoze, causing the driver to "reset" when EVE was running, preferably at those times, you want it the least.

You will find an entry in the windoze logs when you open them by pressing WIN+r and type "eventmgr.msc" and go to "administrative something"

The red entries show the errors, ordered my date, descending from latest to earliest.

Might be NVIDIA's "charming way" of making you buy their products instead.


But fear not, there is a simple solution. It says "requires windoze or better", so I installed Linux and am better now than ever.


Eventually I might go to linux. This issue has to be something else because the other skins load just fine in ship viewer. And the game runs perfectly fine otherwise.

Attention "Windows can not find 'eventmgr.msc' Make sure you typed the name correctly and then try again."

eventvwr.msc works though Cool
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#11 - 2017-02-15 17:16:28 UTC
We will be releasing a fix for this very soon.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2017-02-15 17:18:48 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
We will be releasing a fix for this very soon.


No hurry, its just the Imicus after all. Eve's own Lima Bean with a kick stand.
Cade Windstalker
#13 - 2017-02-15 17:18:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Cade Windstalker
Tuttomenui II wrote:
I just got it to do it again. I've looked at a few of the other skins in the viewer but Imicus just makes my computer go berserk. Guess it isn't a fluke so i'll be bug reporting it. I'll have to look up how to run eve in that one logging state I guess so I can be thorough.


In the launcher go up to the "E" in the upper right next to minimize and close, select "Start LogLite" from the dropdown. You'll then possibly get a firewall or Windows Security warning and the LogLite app will start up. Then start the client normally. Replicate the bug, export the file and attach it to your bug report.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#14 - 2017-02-15 17:20:08 UTC
Linux Launcher Thread => https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=482663

Come over, we have cookies (open source, you even get the recipe).

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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2017-02-15 17:21:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuttomenui II
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Tuttomenui II wrote:
I just got it to do it again. I've looked at a few of the other skins in the viewer but Imicus just makes my computer go berserk. Guess it isn't a fluke so i'll be bug reporting it. I'll have to look up how to run eve in that one logging state I guess so I can be thorough.


In the launcher go up to the "E" in the upper right next to minimize and close, select "Start LogLite" from the dropdown, then run Eve normally. You'll then possibly get a firewall or Windows Security warning and the LogLite app will start up. Then start the client normally. Replicate the bug, export the file and attach it to your bug report.


I found the loglite option in settings on the launcher. But thanks.

Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Linux Launcher Thread => https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=482663

Come over, we have cookies (open source, you even get the recipe).


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Eulynn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2017-02-15 21:51:47 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
I see what happened there.

And before we jump to "conclusions", I do run EVE on my old HD Radeon 6850.


Since 2015 AMD had some issues with the dot.NET API from windoze, causing the driver to "reset" when EVE was running, preferably at those times, you want it the least.

You will find an entry in the windoze logs when you open them by pressing WIN+r and type "eventmgr.msc" and go to "administrative something"

The red entries show the errors, ordered my date, descending from latest to earliest.

Might be NVIDIA's "charming way" of making you buy their products instead.


But fear not, there is a simple solution. It says "requires windoze or better", so I installed Linux and am better now than ever.



Display driver crashes are what pushed me back to nVidia after a short stint with AMD a few years back. They seem to have corrected the problem in more recent drivers, but I had a few computers at work plagued with the same issues. I guess there's some file in the driver that you have to manually copy over a version that was previously on the system...

You're braver than I for using linux as your desktop / gaming OS. I run it as a server OS a ton, but my experience pretty much stays inside the CLI.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2017-02-15 22:48:01 UTC
Eulynn wrote:


You're braver than I for using linux as your desktop / gaming OS. I run it as a server OS a ton, but my experience pretty much stays inside the CLI.


My experience with Linux is limited to a using Ubuntu live disc a few times. It is really powerful for some things, but it loses all that power if you use the install option. It dumps all the really useful drivers for some odd reason. I think maybe legal reasons. I'd love to use Linux of some form on all my old computers that can not run windows 7 or higher because for some reason drivers have to be compatible, dumbest thing ever. Just cause something is old doesn't mean it isn't useful for something. =). Not that any of my old computers could run Eve now days though.

I was able to recover data for my sister from an experimental pc build I made her that had a stripe Raid array without a mirror. The Raid chip started faulting and windows couldn't handle it. The Ubuntu live cd though was able to see that it was a raid array and mount it without a raid driver. That was a fun experience. Windows is such a lazy OS that gives up way to easy.
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#18 - 2017-02-16 04:22:15 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
think that might be an nvidia issue or ccp issue, not windows, ive had it before on my laptop but luckily it was using the integrated gfx card


It only happens with the imicus skin so far, I have view several other skins with out the problem. Wont be an nvidia issue for me =), My graphics is an AMD R9 280.

I also had issues with R9 280X, now i switched to nvidia GTX 1070 and i have no problems anymore.
Might be AMD drivers or maybe game takes too much vram ?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2017-02-16 06:58:56 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
We will be releasing a fix for this very soon.

It's good to see CCP still active here in the 'Official' forums and more importantly, is working to fix the issue.


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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#20 - 2017-02-16 23:47:53 UTC
Eulynn wrote:
[quote=elitatwo]You're braver than I for using linux as your desktop / gaming OS. I run it as a server OS a ton, but my experience pretty much stays inside the CLI.

Linux improved a lot in the last few years on the gaming front. The biggest reason is probably Valves commitment to the platform and active development to make Linux become a much needed alternative as an open gaming platform.

Stuff like the native Eve launcher or Steam makes it incredibly easy to play on Linux this days. The AMD drivers get better and better. The nvidia drivers are comparable to the windows drivers but are proprietary, which is why they are usually not pre installed. But Ubuntu and many other user-friendly distros make it very easy to install those.

The biggest thing Valve actually did was to establish a de-facto standard ABI for games. If you are a game producer you make sure the game runs with the steam runtime (which can be used independent from steam) and as a distributor you make sure you are steam ABI compatible. This completely eliminates the whole distribution diversity problem and you have now one platform everyone agrees up on.

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