EVE General Discussion

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^^This. That kind of dedication deserves that level of reward.

Man, I've been agreeing with your all posts for the past few days. Does this mean I've gone over to the dark side?
Wait for it... "Baited on a freeport", lol.

I'm amazed that so many people would risk such high value ships on the undock of an unknown Citadel. When I used to do logistics for a low sec corp I wouldn't even trust corp mates to light a cyno for me on an NPC station. I guess this is a case of people just not realising the danger, in time this fact will become wide known and only the occassional fool will do it.

Don't see this as a bug or exploit myself.

I've never tried to jump to a Citadel, but with an NPC station there is a 10 second session timer after the jump before you can dock. Does that apply to Citadel tethers too? Also if you are already tethered and your docking rights are removed, does the tether drop?

I do wonder if there should be a timer on this sort of thing.

We have a 24 hour timer on switching a corp from friendly fire allowed to not allowed for example. So there is some precedent for not allowing others to catch those who are doing their due diligence due to instantly being able to change settings that put them in danger.

In the example above the fleet did in fact check to see if docking was safe. Having the citadel wait 24 hours (or even one hour) from changing to and from freeport status doesn't seem like a vastly difference concept than waiting to set FOF status in a corp.

I think it should remain instant. First, it allows for station games, which is a good thing. Second these are privately owned structures of corporations, not NPC structures, people using them are CHOOSING to use them. Third, nobody wants to be able to host a hostile group in their own structure. "we are going to blow up your station, and use it to repair ourselves too!"... uh no.

Why, though?

Well, if the owner is planning a trap then it stands to reason that protocols are in place to ensure the change is implemented near-instantaneous by the docking managers.

By the time the average player can afford a JF he should be smart enough not to fall for the obvious tricks.

exacly why I gave up doing courier contracts. no confidence at all in the citadel system.
just look at how the commercial hauling corps are dealing with this for your answers.

npc stations will never be allowed to go away until things like this get adjusted.

NPC stations can't go away for quite some time yet anyway. Where would they put Agents? Where would they seed blueprints? And I do not think removing NPC stations is even on the radar for CCP. It would not make a lot of sense lore-wise either. Why would the empires not have stations?

But let's imagine they went away all of a sudden - poof! A market develops on a citadel and people want to deliver stuff there on contract, so it can be sold in that new market hub. What would be the smart thing to do for the owner? Block access to scam some random space trucker out of 2 bil, thereby making himself untrustworthy as the owner of a market hub citadel, or just let everyone dock, let his market grow and get rich off taxes without moving a finger ever again?

It's quite the same both with the courier contracts and the mid points: Check if you can trust the holder of the target citadel before commiting anything.

I think you have to have a certain amount of dark side already in you to properly enjoy Eve. I've been a mostly upstanding citizen for the last bunch of years but I always enjoyed the pvp and non-consensual aspects of the game, and still enjoy hearing others experiences on the "dark" side.