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Did you even read the report? Production in Delve outperforms any highsec region, except for Forge.
Anyway, Guard suggested a discussion, so let's do it. Of course not on reddit, as we have a better place like here.

First of all, should this data be hidden?
I strongly believe that it should be advertised as much as possible. Myself, I joined EVE not because of those epic battles reports or even elite solo PVP podcasts. I joined because I loved the idea of complex player-driven economy. And I bet, I was not the only one who's such a weirdo.
But for a very long time (since forever?) nullsec was very sparse industry-wise. If you wanted to do anything but capital/super production, you should've been doing it in hisec period. Now finally things are shifting. And as they are, it should become a common knowledge. The more folks will know about GDP bloom in nullsec, the more industrialists will give it a try. And do we need more of people in nullsec? Hell yes we do.

The second concern was about in-game vs out-of-game availability.
Well, this is not as straightforward as it seems. In-game features sometimes follow the meta-game, like billboards for example. Some even didn't really work out: eve-voice VS teamspeak. Market aggregators like eve-central were even half-legal for a long time with those cache-scrappers. But even now, we dont have an access to out-of-region market in-game. So this all mess is rather complicated and I think should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.
That being said, I for one support more in-game features that allow to collect intel. Structure scanners anyone? Like ship scanners, but can scan what the structure is producing at the moment. That'd be great.

A lot of people in here saying this change only benefits nullseccers: Wrong

Many of us in nullsec are VERY unhappy about the change as well. This is a greedy change by a select few who want to hide as much information as possible about what they do, even though that data doesn't actually put them at any more real risk. We already know what regions stupid amounts of supers are being spit out in, what regions have crazy amounts of shipping going to and from. This data doesn't reveal some big secret production effort, nor help to isolate which sotiyos stuff is being built in. All this change does is screw over the general playerbase so that a few players can disillusion themselves into believing that their CSM puppets have made them safer.

The fact that no member of the CSM actively stood up to this is appalling, that no candidate there was sufficiently knowledgeable to see why this is bad, that the CSM lacks a stunning level of diversity , and builds a sincere belief in myself that it's time to get rid of the CSM.


Do the right thing, CCP, don't get rid of the regional data in the MER. As for anonymizing the regions, you might as well just delete all the regional data. They have the same effect.

Please do not remove the regional stats from the MER. I find them extremely useful for my own industrial and trade planning, and these data are not available via in-game methods.

I have no problem with people disagreeing to my points.

I'm happy to see that so far everybody posting here (and some of the CSM?) were against removing the regional stats from the MER.

Let's be realistic: the CSM is intended to represent the players, but it's far from a perfect system. There's probably only a few dozen players who want the regional stats removed from the MER, and hundreds or thousands of players who want it to stay in the MER. Right?!

As mentioned above, it's neat too to see nullsec people actually starting to produce and trade more. That is what the new structures were intended to help do - spread out production and trade from the few great hubs, and make New Eden's trade and production landscape more varied and interesting. The regional stats are showing us that it's actually happening and that IS interesting ...

Another way to think of it... keep the stats or remove them, will any players be so upset to quit over it? In both directions, the answer is no, so, why make the change? The only difference is this:

1) Keep the stats - a handful of players (paranoid alliance leaders and nobody else) are a little uncomfortable about some free data
2) Lose the stats - hundreds or thousands of players are sad and disappointed that CCP caved to the request of a few

Just pick the lesser of two evils...

I'm with those who would prefer not to see regional information deleted from the MER.

Exactly this.

Yet, notice that you're not being asked your opinion about removing the nullsec regional stats, you're being informed on when and why the nullsec regional stats will be gone.

So kiss those nullsec regional stats good bye because that handful of paranoid people used the appropiate trigger words and dropped them in the appropiate ears before you even knew what was going on.

This is how EVE meta works, and CCP is happy to oblige.

Not in favor of proposed change, but CCP will do whats best for umm.. them(?).

Fascinating story. Do you know how I noticed what was going in Delve? I opened the in-game map and set some filters.

Reading the reports with actual hard numbers on them is a nice bonus, but the data doesn't just disappear if the regional reports aren't released. I still would like to read them since it's easier than playing around with the map filters, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking "hiding" the regional reports would hide the actual information.

Edit:

That said, if the regional reports are actually removed, I'll enter the race for CSM on a "Let's bring regional reports back"-platform.

Regional data is interesting. But who does it hurt for it to be removed?
Only one person in this thread mentioned that he has business interest in this information.
Others just do not like having 'interesting information' removed.

On one hand some of people living in those regions are not comfortable with publicly available statistic about their business.
On other - people like to have this information, "it's interesting".

For some reason i feel that first group has more weight in this story. I'm i getting this wrong?

Citizens,

Many of us remember when a single alliance nearly completely dominated our galaxy. Undisputed they reigned, until infighting finally broke their grasp! How can hegemony like this be positive for the collective?! CCP! how can this kind of imbalance be good for the game at large!

And present evidence ... that THEY wish to suppress, suggests an onslaught orders of magnitude beyond that which as come before is now in the making. The idle minds at the CSM ask US for a reason why they should resist, FOOLS! Publishing the MER in detail allows rivals a fighting chance to bring the hope of BALANCE to the universe and PREVENT the crushing tyranny of a single TWISTED oligarchy!!

If CCP is truly interested in removing the sanctity of invulnerable low sec and null sec stations, then game balance is even more vital. IMPOSE a simple yet easily reasonable rule on corporations: the bigger you are, the more we see. DEMAND TRANSPARENCY for each corporation that controls %5 or more of galactic wealth! Only then can the specter of massive wealth concentration be broken - EVE has won accolades for its substantially better than IRL wealth distribution (https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5b4j5l/wealth_distribution_in_eve_online), this ATTRACTS followers! And the MER can enable exactly this.

Greed, tyranny, and in groups, fascism ... these are the hideous failings of the infantile human psyche. Ugly warts on the face of humanity! They MUST be controlled! We should even promote SYSTEM LEVEL stats for those corps which have run amok! The more you control, the more transparent your operations. BRING BALANCE once again TO OUR UNIVERSE!!