EVE General Discussion

The fact is the HTFU or GTFO campaign has been having an adverse effect for the past 4-5 years. If it weren't for SKINs, skill injectors and F2P - what would the "real" numbers for 2016 be? Unless CCP pulls a rabbit put of the hat I think we're going to see the numbers for 2017 literally fall off a cliff.

The cops all HTFU and GTFO, so now we're left to police ourself. Whoop whoop - there go the Space Police...

I always wonder how people come to this conclusion. I've been living right beside Uedama since late 2011. I'm traveling with haulers and everything else through this system. I've moved billions in bpos through Niarja and Uedama.

Not to speak of those pricey rigs I moved all the way from Amarr to Rens in a fast aligning almost untanked Sigil, when that guy manipulated the rig market back in 2012. Anybody in a instalocking Nado could have one shot that thing. Not that I would have cared at the time. Profits would have easily paid for the loss of a Sigil or two including the cargo .

All that went boom in HS in the last six years is a Retriever to Immortalis one month into the game, a noobship caught by Tora's guys and a shuttle lately, to that smartbombing Maller pilot in Jita.

All my Freighters, Orcas, T1 Haulers, BRs and DSTs are in good health, assembled and in use for years. I don't even bother to insure them. It would just be a waste of isk.

I've been mining unmolested for extended periods just a couple of jumps out of Halaima. Sure, I haven't done it lately, but I doubt it's any worse now than 2 years ago.

In my opinion, HS is way safer today than it was in 2011.

@: Mara Pahrdi

Likewise, I've spent a lot of time in Sivala, right next door to Uedama. I've hauled stuff through Uedama on a regular basis, hell I've mined in Uedama and have never been shot at while doing either.

Same here . Been mining right in Uedama too. But you learn how gankers operate if you stay atk and watch your surroundings, so I moved a couple of jumps .

"Eve is Dying! It is totally going to die this time guys! CCP, I really mean it. Those other carebears that said the same thing over the last 14 years? They were wrong. But really, now, for sure, Eve will die if you don't make highsec completely safe and you will lose your job and your children will starve!"

That's a fair point, and certainly less confrontational than Indahmawar's post.

I would agree that they're settling after the initial interest in clone states, however the numbers are still better than they have been for a couple of years.

It's too early to tell how many alphas upgrade or actively play as alphas long term, the next 12 months will show whether or not CCP's new approach works; to be honest I hope it does.

The option of being able to play for free may well attract those who are looking for a game like Eve, and there's very few games like Eve, but who were put off by the sub requirement to even log in. Unfortunately such an option also attracts those that are just looking for (insert MMO of choice) in space, and the freedoms afforded by Eve are an affront to their years of accumulated MMO preconceptions, some of them would like to see Eve become (insert MMO of choice) in space, these players tend to get short thrift.

Overall if it leads to a higher retention rate and active players regardless of clone state that is mostly a good thing, we can separate the wheat from the chaff with explosions.

They've always got the option of reversing some of the mechanics changes they've made over the years, some of which were attempts to patch stupid.

Dead in a few weeks.

EA are not popular folks round here.

Mmm, mmm, mmm. You must be of that generation that needs "safe spaces". Or received "participation trophies". I come from a generation where this kind of whining meant getting ganked in rl. You didn't dare whine like this in public. But then, not many of us wanted to.

And winners got trophies and losers accepted defeat with grace and built character. You don't seem to have the strength of character to deal with losses and rebuild or regroup. You don't seem to want to learn how to play the game on its terms. You seek to impose your own.

I've ganked and been ganked. That's part, just part, of the game. Stop your whining. Your embarrassing yourself. Learn how to play the game or get out and go play spider solitaire.

Imagine a world where the group you refer to had played the likes of Manic Miner as kids, Eve's learning cliff is a gentle slope compared to those early games.

"Every time I fly this route carrying expensive cargo I get ganked"
"well then maybe try a different route, or fly less expensive cargo?"
"NO, THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED BY CCP. I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG."
"other people manage to avoid getting ganked by not flying that predictable route, you know that right."
"THATS NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING! CCP FIX THINGS SO I CAN KEEP BEING LAZY"